Lawrence Helm wrote: "After having my posts refused by Lit-Ideas many times, I began posting them on my blog. There is no dual context." This thread on this list was initiated by your posting a link to something you wrote on your blog. The original comments from your blog are not a part of this thread, and these comments are not appearing on your blog. Two contexts. Anyways, on to the topic at hand. Lawrence wrote: "As to the danger of the 'increase of Sharia Law,' Fundamentalist Muslims deriving from Salafist and Sayid Qutb teaching believe in a 'Creeping Sharia Law' as one of the devices intended to complete the Jihad that Mohammad started. That Jihad will only be completed when the entire world is Muslim." Lawrence is here confusing two very different, and in fact conflicting, movements within Islamic fundamentalism. I haven't found labels that I am happy with, but I have in other contexts used the terms Jihadis and Salafists. As I use the terms, Jihadis are Muslims who are committed to establishing an Islamic Caliphate. Jihad is an expression of religious faithfulness in the service of the body of Muslim believers for the purpose of bringing about an Islamic state. Jihadis tend to be committed to organizations and hierarchies, with a variety of authorities. They could promote peaceful means for bringing about this Caliphate, like Hizbut Tahrir and the Muslim Brotherhood, or they could adopt violence, like Hezbollah. They tend to also be very involved in social issues like healthcare and poverty. These groups would promote the use of Sharia courts as a means of bringing about the 'Islamicization' of society and the would encourage Muslims to listen to religious authorities. But groups like al Qaeda and Egyptian Islamic Jihad, both heavily influenced by Qutb, are very different. I would call them Salafists in that they believe that there was at one time a pure practice of Islam and that there is a single clear understanding of Sharia and what is expected of Muslims. This view is found in Qutb who taught that there is no need to interpret Sharia, that every circumstance in life is clearly addressed by Sharia, and so there is no need for religious authorities to provide guidance. Followers of Qutb, including most members of al Qaeda, reject the idea that a Muslim should ever turn to another Muslim for religious guidance, and so they reject the notion of fiqh and Sharia courts. Think here of evangelical Protestants who embrace the personal and individual quality of faith and reject 'religion'. Salafists are not interested in establishing Islamic governments since this would be to establish religious authority. What Salafists are working towards is an idealic time when every Muslim can live out their faith in as pure a form as is possible. The government can be any form, as long as it does not interfere with faithfulness. When there is need for authority, it takes the form of an Emir, to whom people swear obedience. When this Emir dies, as in the case of bin Laden, a new Emir has to be chosen and people can choose to give fealty or not. Because purity of faith is paramount, it is possible to declare Muslims who deviate as takfir, or apostate, and require that they be killed. This is why al Qaeda groups have killed more Muslims than Westerners. It is also not necessary that the whole world be Muslim. What is necessary is that non-Muslims not interfere in the affairs of Muslims. It was this kind of interference, the presence of Westerners in the land of the Two Holy Cities, that set off bin Laden and al Qaeda. Sharia courts do not represent the creeping presence of al Qaeda for the simple reason that al Qaeda rejects most of the logic behind these courts, for example fiqh and the need to use reason to interpret Sharia. There is no creeping presence of al Qaeda. al Qaeda is devoted to purifying the lands of Islam through whatever means necessary. There is also no creeping presence of Jihadis. Groups like the Muslim Brotherhood or Hezbollah thrive in contexts where the state is corrupt and fails to provide for the basic needs of citizens. This was how the Muslim Brotherhood started and it was under these conditions that it spread though out the Middle East. In most Western countries, these conditions do not exist and so the appeal of these Jihadi groups is largely non-existent. There are of course some Jihadis who work towards a world wide Caliphate, but the vast majority of Muslims, for many different reasons, reject this crusade. As I said before, in my opinion, Islam and Muslims as a whole do not represent a threat to anyone but themselves. On the other hand, individuals who are Muslim and groups of these individuals can be extremely dangerous. Sincerely, Phil Enns ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html