________________________________ From: Adriano Palma Palma@xxxxxxxxxx > > the Barcan formula is a theorem, it is impossible to detect what your "objection" is supposed to be >> If the two clauses above are connected [e.g. as it's a theorem it cannot be that there is any objection], then I would suggest even theorems can be false and can be objected to. If the clauses are not connected and the point is simply that an objection cannot be detected then (a) what is the relevance of saying 'the Barcan formula is a theorem'? (b) my post was an attempt to put what I understood to be the logical point at issue in ordinary language, and to pass comment that it would seem that "if all actual humans must die it does not necessarily follow that all possible humans must die...(unless we deem all actual humans to exhaust the category of all possible humans)". The point at (b) raises a number of questions - like whether this is an accurate way to convey the logical point at issue in ordinary language and whether the logical point depends on what we "deem" as the relation between "actual humans" and "all possible humans". These questions are not answered by pointing out that 'Barcan's formula is a theorem' or asserting that 'an objection cannot be detected'. So much so that the point of the post is one that is hard for me to detect. Donal London Please find our Email Disclaimer here-->: http://www.ukzn.ac.za/disclaimer