We are considering Popper's demarcation between 'science' and 'non-science'. This was brought up by Donal McEvoy in response to Geary's suggestion that "Philosophy is no Daddy Feelgood", or words to that effect (that went over Chase's head -- an esoteric reference to The Negro Problem). The issues are different. One is if a metaphilosophical query is itself philosophical. Another issue is Popper's. Popper was then concerned with the demarcation of 'science' (which he adored) and everything else (which we may call 'non-science'). Now, the demarcation needs a _criterion_. Popper argued that this _criterion_ is 'metaphysical' or 'philosophical'. I submit that this is paradoxical, and springs from two problems Popper had: (1) with 'normativity'. As McEvoy notes: >The actual situation is not as plain as that, so he would not say it. I refer >you back to my previous post where I mentioned some of things he would say >about there being a normative element in stipulations as to what counts as >philosophy or what counts as science etc ie. he denies such stipulations are >straightforward descriptions of given 'facts'. (2) with 'conceptual analysis', since, as McEvoy also notes, Popper would rather be seen dead than seen as providing a 'conceptual' analysis of what 'science' is. ---- In this, Popper was very different from, say, Grice. For Grice, you start with a conceptual problem. Grice's problems were with ordinary English (Anglo-Saxon) words, hardly "science". He wrote: "The [concepts] with which (as a philosopher) I am _normally_ concerned are pretty commonly used ones." (WOW, p. 175). He adds that there is an element of subjectivity in conceptual analysis I'm not sure Popper would be happy with: "Even if my assumption that was goes for me goes for others is mistaken, it does not matter; my philosophical puzzles have arisen in connection with _my_ use of [some expression, e.g. 'science', arguendo], and my conceptual analysis will be of value to me (and to any others who may find that their use of [the expression -- e.g. 'science'] coincides with mine." (WOW, p. 175). Popper felt the situation was paradoxical. Science was defined in terms of 'testability' and then the _criterion_ by which one would _demarcate_ between 'science' and 'non-science' turned out _not_ to be 'testable' or 'falsifiable'. It was, for Popper, a sad acceptance that Philosophy and Metaphysics _did_ play a role in the Grand Discipline he professed, "Scientific Method". It is true that Popper himself was, as McEvoy notes, a "philosopher". Indeed, a "living philosopher" in the words of Schlipp. And then he died. Cheers, JL ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html