We are discussing certain implicatures of what, after P. Stone, I call 'underhanded'. One was the "no pun intended" supplied by J. Krueger <_http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/livescience/sc_livescience/storytext/emotio nsrunamokinsleepdeprivedbrains/24915165/SIG=127c1sb4q/*http://www.livescience. com/humanbiology/060323_sleep_deprivation.html_ (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/livescience/sc_livescience/storytext/emotionsrunamokinsleepdeprivedbrains/ 24915165/SIG=127c1sb4q/*http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/060323_sleep_d eprivation.html) <<In modern life, people often deprive themselves of sleep almost on a daily basis," Walker said. "Alarm bells should be ringing about that behavior -- no pun intended.">> I pointed to the 'pragmatic' contradiction and compared it with an example given by Grice in "The Causal Theory of Perception", part II, unfortunately NOT reprinted in WOW -- Studies in the Way of Words. P. Stone makes interesting comments and furthers the topic into another area. He writes: >in some cases this kind of construction is underhanded and >the implicature is insulting. In your case, the utterer is making sure >that his pun doesn't go unnoticed Precisely. Although I do have to take with some seriousness the consideration by W. Okshewski that the utterer can CLAIM that the pun was NOT intended. Grice concedes this point re: "He has a beautiful handwring; I don't mean to say that he is a bad student of philosophy" -- I should recheck with the source. But Grice goes on to say that the utterer can NOT be longer DEEMED to _have_ implicated that "he" (the referred student) is a bad student of philosophy. Grice adds somethng to the effect, "Even if that is what the addressee ends up believing in any case". So, I believe similarly a case can be made for the "no pun intended" construction. The pun may be said to be "not m-intended" (in Grice's terminology, where m just stands for meaning). Personally, the 'alarm bells' beats me because the utterer must feel like _guilty_ that she may be thought as _intending_ the pun. P. Stone continues: >in my case (to follow) the speaker >thinks he's actually sneaking something by me by pointing it out? >I have a friend who likes to preface his 'advice' with > > "No offence, but ..." > >I hypothesize that he knows what he is about to say has a potential to >cause offense, but instead of reconstructing his writing/speaking to >be more diplomatic and less [since he is aware of its potential, >deliberately] offensive, he just blurts it out. I guess I should >appreciate him for his candor. Yes, I think you should, if you want to keep referring to him as 'a friend' (whose friend, as Okshewski would say). I notice that the usual exchange here -- in Eng.Lit. -- seems to be: A: You are a ^$&#*(@ ('empiricist', 'rationalist', ' utilitarian', 'futilitarian', etc.) No offence meant. B: None taken. The sneakiness of the construction -- in 'no pun intended' and 'no offence meant' -- seems to come from the NEGATIVENESS of it all. While some people (boring) do say, "pun intended" and "offence made" (less common? not so boring), the "no pun intended"/"no offence made" makes it for a more controversial rubric under 'noninformative'. On this I am reminded of the couple of times L. Horn acknwledged my contributions in an endnote: "Thanks to J. L. Speranza for the comments, etc. Needless to say, ..." He just closes the article like that which I think is rather cute. I find the "none taken" rather stoopidly polite. Should we accept as 'acceptable' something like: A: You are a rotten ^$&#*@( -- and offense *IS* meant. [Geary, Christ]: None taken, though Only the minister of a metaphysical ministry would behave like that, or Christ. We should find a rubric to label these implicatures with. I was thinking of "Trouser-Implicatures" (after Grice/Austin on 'trouser-words' or words that wear the skirt -- but that's SURELY, as Grice recognises, 'artless sexism'), so no offence taken, needless to say, and no POOM! intended Cheers, JL JLS: > > For Grice (or Griceans), this is a pragmatic contradiction. Because, by > > pointing the > > addressee's attention to the pun, it _is_ somehow intended; yet it is a > > sneaky act of communication. > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com