> We were discussing whether it's by the grace of God that one never finds > one's accent 'ugly'. But, Bishop, people do find their accents ugly - hence elocution lessons and indeed being inhibited by better-speaking persons like myself. What is perhaps true, but different, is that we do not perceive ourselves as others do - hence the shock at how we sound and look on a video; though perhaps the video has it wrong (- personally I have never found a suitably flattering photo that measured up to how I look in the mirror)? >My theological argument rested on the premise that > it would make one's life miserable and God would not like that. Why would He have a thing about not making life misersable through accent-self-loathing, Cardinal, but be happy enough if misery were inflicted from other sources, like illness or poverty or loss of a loved one? Is resting on a premise as what God would or would not like, really a good basis for a theology - does God "like" the misery that exists (resting on the premise here that it does)? Pope Donal I ___________________________________________________________ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html