--- Stan Spiegel <writeforu2@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > "Will you provide > evidence that 22 Arab countries are "virulently > Jew-hating?" Omar asks. > > Yes Omar: > > I can provide evidence that they are Jew-hating. > Check how many Jews live in > those 22 Arab countries. Every single Jew -- every > one -- has been evicted, > thrown out or killed. There are simply no Jews in > any of those countries.Not > one. First, it is not true that: "there are simply no Jews in any of those countries." And while the communities have shrunk severely after the establishment of Israel, it is not true that they have all been been "evicted, thrown out or killed." Again, we see that false claims are being made with a straight face, and the other side - i.e. me - is supposed to do the work of checking the facts. The temptation is strong to tell Stan to do the Googling for himself, but then one is not sure that he would know how to do it, so here are some links. This is on the Egyptian Jewish community: http://www.bh.org.il/Communities/Archive/egypt.asp There is only about a 100 Jews living in Egypt today. Previously, there was a community of about 80 000, about a half of whom left at Israel's independence, and most others after Israel's attack on Sinai in 1956. About 2500 were expelled following the Six-Day War. We may conclude then that the cause of their leaving/expulsion was not some inherent Arab or Muslim anti-Semitism, but Egypt's conflict with Zionism. On the Syrian community: http://www.metimes.com/2K1/issue2001-24/reg/syrias_jewish_community.htm Syria's Jewish community still numbered 4,500 people in 1992, when "the government lifted travel restrictions on Jews." Apparently, there is no more than about 200 today. However, it does not look like they were forced to leave, but rather that they wanted to. On the Iraqi community: http://wjc.org.il/communities/jewish_communities_of_the_world/middle_east_and_northern_africa/iraq.html The Iraqi Jewish community numbered 150 000 in 1947. Emigration to Israel was actually prohibited until 1950, when the ban was lifted. In 1951, the Jewish Agency and the Israeli government "succeeded in airlifting approximately 110,000 Jews to Israel in Operations Ezra and Nehemiah. " Thus, they have not been "evicted, or thrown out, or killed." It's not clear how many of them remain today - perhaps several thousand - but we have a report from April 2003 (of course, it wasn't widely publicized) saying that "Muslims save Baghdad's Jewish community centre from looters." http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/04/13/1050172477659.html On Iran's Jewish community: http://www.iran-e-sabz.org/news/jewish1.html "Iran's Jewish community, although it has dwindled over the decades, remains the Middle East's largest outside Israel." Today it numbers about 25 000 thousand. On the Morrocan community: http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/195E8EFB-4FA1-446E-A283-74269901092D.htm "Morocco's Jewish community, which once numbered more than 200,000 people, now consists of about 4000 who live mainly in large cities such as Dar al-Baida (Casablanca)." The others left for all kinds of resons, such as the fact that the Jewish Agency was paying the Morrocan king per head for every Jew who emigrates for Israel. However, even today "Moroccan Jewish emigres, even those with Israeli citizenship, freely visit friends and relatives in Morocco. Moroccan Jews have held leading positions in the business community and government." www.us-israel.org/jsource/anti-semitism/morocjews.html Incidentally, the Morrocan Jewish community leader has condemned the assassination of Shaikh Yasin as "an act of bestiality," and spoke about "the incredible arrogance of Sharon." (More anti-semitism, of course.) More generally, to use the relative small numbers of Jews in ME countries today as evidence of pervasive anti-semitism in these cultures is problematic on several counts. First, the large Jewish communities that were living there quite comfortably previously, before Israel was established - how come they were not anti-semitic then ? Second, the reasons for their leaving included ideological ones -those who genuinely wanted to live in the "Jewish state," unlike the resident Zionists - economic, and so on. Third, while some Arab states did prosecute / expel Jews after 1947, these were state policies that were largely the response to the conflict with Israel and to Israel's attempts to de-stabilize the Arab countries internally. (Israel also wanted these Jews to emigrate, and did it all it could to make their position there more difficult, sometimes by Mossad-staged terrorist actions.) Can we use the policies of the European states during World War II as evidence of deeply ingrained European anti-Semitism ? I would think not, though in a debate with contemporary Zionists nothing is impossible. We are also told that the percentage of the Jews in the US today is small - does this constitute proof of pervasive American anti-Semitism ? O.K. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html