Yes, according to Monica Lewinski, though of course its truth-value depends whether she as subject is placed within the correct space-time location of the Ovulation Office between dates x and y. As to it being an elem. prop., she argues that once she was propositioned in the requisite way it was elementary to accede. Therefore 'Blow me like an adult sax without gratuitous violins' was an elementary proposition. By the logic of the TLP it would thus appear that 'Blew here' was an elem. prop., admittedly of a possibly logically retrospective kind. On a serious note: Arsenal tonight lost to Chelsea in the EC. Having just lost to Utd... Donal ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html