Mike, I do get questions like yours occasionally. The last time one was posed to me, I was at church and one of the elders asked me why I was studying Paul Tillich? He like you didn't need to read such people because he knew in advance, without reading them, what they were all about. Where did his knowledge about Tillich come from? He told me he had never read him; so he must have read someone whose opinion he trusted, someone who told him that Tillich ought not to be read. But I'll ask you that question, Mike. Who have you read about Heidegger that has convinced you that he is someone not to be read? But back to me. The short answer to your question is that Robert Paul posted the following note on 11-1: Reached from Arts & Letters Daily. http://chronicle.com/article/Heil-Heidegger-/48806/ Robert Paul, stirring up trouble Several of us read that note and "trouble" was successfully stirred up. It strikes me as a provocative subject and I am pursuing it a bit. But as to me personally, I have a mild interest in Heidegger. He is purported by many to be the most influential philosopher of the 20th century. That is reason enough for me to be curious about him. But I don't think I am studying him "doggedly" -- at least no more doggedly than I am studying several other subjects. To illustrate, I have several books going at the same time. When I am not reading about Heidegger, I am reading Roberto Bolano's 2666, or Freud's The Compete Introductory Lectures on Psychology, or Gauchet's & Swain's Madness and Democracy, The Modern Psychiatric Universe, or Dower's Embracing Defeat, Japan in the Wake of World War II. I am reading all these and some others at least as doggedly as I am presently reading Julian Young's Heidegger, Philosophy, Nazism. I am by the way only on page 56, but I have high hopes that I shall be dogged enough to finish it. Lawrence. From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Geary Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:35 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Heidegger and the "Ideas of 1914" I'm curious, Lawrence, as to what you find of value in Heidegger's philosophy either before or after the so-called "Turning" that makes you pursue so doggedly a Nihil obstat for his philosophy? What thoughts does he espouse that speak to you so meaningfully? Mike Geary Memphis ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence Helm <mailto:lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: lawrenchelm1. post@blogger. com <mailto:post@blogger. com> Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 1:13 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Heidegger and the "Ideas of 1914" http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=10315 The above is a review of Steffen Breundel's Die "Ideen von 1914" und die Neuordnung Deutschlands im Ersten Weltkrieg, 2003. Unfortunately it hasn't been translated into English. The "ideas of 1914" are important to understanding Heidegger's brand of National Socialism. Breundel's book presents these ideas as embodying Germany's motivation for entering World War One. Julian Young in Heidegger, Philosophy, Nazism, 1997 sees these Ideas of 1914 as being to some extent an ongoing climate of opinion growing out of the unification of 1870. German unification was still fresh in peoples' thinking. It was still important to many to exalt the "Volk." The Volkisch ideal still had to be defended and worked at. What Heidegger did was to apply the "ideas of 1914" almost intact to 1933. Young points out that there is nothing original about Heidegger's thinking in 1933. These ideas were not accepted by all Germans, but they were very common at the time. Heidegger's brand of National Socialism isn't what it became under Hitler, but it was reprehensible enough according to Young. Heidegger was an anti-modernist; which in practical terms meant a rejection of Capitalism along with Capitalistic industrialism. What Heidegger advocated was a return to a preindustrial condition. (Think Theodore Kaczynski) Heidegger advocate a Volkisch Totalitarianism and would have forcibly removed Germans from cities and installed them in the countryside. Heidegger's totalitarianism was very different from Hitler's. One of the important ideas of 1914 was that Germany was spiritual and the nations that opposed Germany were not. The ideas of 1914 especially demonized Britain and Russia. Heidegger in 1933 substituted the U.S. for Britain. He thought the U.S. and Russia indistinguishable. Heidegger's ideas were naïve, but no more so, Young writes, than the British belief that its empire was equivalent to Modern Rome or America's belief in Manifest Destiny. Heidegger's views in all these matters changed after the war. For example the very matter Young finds most heinous, the relocating of Germans from cities to the country, comes up in a disagreement Heidegger had with Herbert Marcuse. Young on page 49 writes, "Curiously, Herbert Marcuse seems not to recognize the appalling nature of 'ethnic cleansing'. In reply to Heidegger's suggestion that, not just the Jews but, after the war, the Germans expelled from Eastern Europe by Stalin had also been the victims of criminal acts, Marcuse replies that conversation is impossible with a man who fails to see the 'night and day' difference between the concentration camps and the 'forcible relocation of population groups'" Young said there were two anti-modern ideas. The more naïve idea was the one Heidegger subscribed to. The more practical anti-modern idea was that Modernism had created all sorts of evils but it was now impossible to reverse the process. They could not do away with cities and factories, but they could work to ameliorate their negative effects. The Islamists have come to a similar conclusion. As to the question of whether the brand of National Socialism Heidegger evinced in 1933-1935 (the period in which Heidegger, according to Young, was an active member of the Nazi Party) informed (or was informed by) his philosophy, I can't at this point see a connection - especially since his magnum opus, Being and Time was completed in 1927. Lawrence Helm www.lawrencehelm.com