[lit-ideas] Re: Hard core ideology

  • From: Judith Evans <judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 09:58:40 +0100 (BST)

LAWRENCE!!

  I was 
thinking that same thing in response to Judy’s praise of the laws that 
prevented the people from resisting Islamic immigration and the spread 
of Sharia Law.

THERE ARE NO SUCH LAWS!  NONE!!


--- On Wed, 7/9/11, Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Hard core ideology
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Wednesday, 7 September, 2011, 3:22

Jack writes,  “A liberal democracy is about the people and making their lives 
better.  If the people don't count, where is the democracy?”   I was thinking 
that same thing in response to Judy’s praise of the laws that prevented the 
people from resisting Islamic immigration and the spread of Sharia Law.    Now 
as to your quotes, I addressed that as far as I was able.  Such matters have to 
do with “Capital” and we can only deal with the most heinous excesses after the 
fact.  We would be controlled by “Robber Barons” were it not for the laws we 
created in the past to restrict their excesses.  However, one must be careful 
with the restrictions we place on those who own the capital.  We may complain 
about them as you are doing, but I am too much of a Stoic to do that.  They are 
an intrinsic part of our Liberal Democracy – “Liberal” in the classical sense 
of the word, not in the modern sense that means Left-wing radical” –
 and as Fukuyama has argued, there is no system that is better, and no system 
out there that can challenge it.  so you grumble to what end?   Fukuyama 
following Kojeve, argued that Hegel was right after all.  Marx turned Hegel on 
his head saying he was almost right in saying Capitalism would comprise the end 
of history, but Communism, not Capitalism, would do that.  When all but the 
most radical saw the fall of the Soviet Union as the failure of Communism, 
Fukuyama wrote his book celebrating Hegel’s prescience.    Lawrence  From: 
lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Jack Spratt
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 5:47 PM
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Hard core ideology  It's a wonder you don't call it 
conservative democracy the way you demonize liberals.  Here's a link for what 
good citizens legal corporate persons 
are: http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2010/04/06/90299/exxon-tax/ http://www.forbes.com/2010/04/01/ge-exxon-walmart-business-washington-corporate-taxes.html http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/08/12/us-usa-taxes-corporations-idUSN1249465620080812 You
 say throw the rascals out.  How?  Hank Paulson was from Goldman Sachs, and the 
rest of government are pedigreed from any corporation  you want to name.  The 
list is so long you couldn't even name all the corporations that have key 
positions in either the White House or in and out of that famed revolving door  
between government and business.  Here's a link and it is in no 
complete: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Government-industry_revolving_door The
 banks were given taxpayer money by the
 banks, by Hank Paulson formerly of the most powerful investment bank on Wall 
Street.  The most powerful investment bank on Wall Street ran the Treasury 
Department of the United States under George Bush.  As insidious as any of the 
others is the Koch Brothers funding of the tea party.  A coincidence that the 
Koch brothers own the highly polluting paper industry and EPA is being 
deregulated?  And of course there's the grandaddy of them all, Social 
Security.  The Republicans have had it in for Social Security since FDR 
implemented it and they are now beside themselves to get rid of it and other 
social programs.   A liberal democracy is about the people and making their 
lives better.  If the people don't count, where is the democracy?    J.S.    

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