[lit-ideas] Re: Hard core ideology
- From: "Lawrence Helm" <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 14:08:19 -0700
Judy,
We’ve spoken about integration before. Yes, there are some that integrate, but
if there are large segments who won’t, if they form themselves into enclaves
and prey upon the weak, damage property and disrupt society, something has gone
seriously wrong. I don’t say it is entirely their fault, but it is someone’s
fault. I have read that idealistic European leaders sought these immigrants
to some extent in order to make up the shortfall in entitlements due to
dwindling populations, but this doesn’t seem to be working.
I don’t live in Europe and must rely on newspaper articles, journalistic
writings, etc., but whenever I’ve Googled these subjects to see if these
writings are correct, I see photos of riots, people killed, cars were burned,
etc. And in places like the Netherlands and Scandinavia the common people,
people Jack Sprat worries about in other circumstances, rebelling against what
they describe as an unwanted influx of immigrants.
I have read that a large part of the problem is that a majority of the common
people of Europe don’t want these immigrants moving into their nations. Why
didn’t European leadership know that? Why force unwanted immigrants into a
society that rejects them? I’m not saying it is right that these Europeans
reject them merely that this is the case to a considerable extent. European
leadership seems bent on solving this problem by making laws punishing the
common people for not accepting these immigrants. Does that seem right to you?
You asked what I meant by “Social Security shortfall.” Social Security was
initially set up, if memory serves me, like an insurance policy. It was not
intended to be an entitlement. Social Security Insurance, however, depended
upon a growing population so that more people would be putting money into it
than taking it out. All Western nations today are being faced with dwindling
populations such that a time can be foreseen when there will not be enough
money being paid into these insurance policies to pay the people who want to
retire. The common fix has been to encourage immigration so that these
immigrants can pay into the policy and thereby let old people continue to
retire. I am suggesting that this expedient doesn’t seem to be working very
well. Why not, I ask, make Social Security an entitlement and pay for it with
tax money – instead of counting on immigrants to pay for it.
Lawrence
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Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Hard core ideology
(Lawrence)
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The West has no intention of giving it up so when it discovers that its
population isn’t growing, it imports workers from elsewhere. That would work
out if the imported workers fit the pattern we have in America, but in much of
Europe they have been importing Islamic Fundamentalists who have no intention
of integrating into European society. It would be better, in my opinion for
these nations (and ours) to decide to pay for the Social Security shortfall as
another entitlement. If foreign workers can’t or won’t integrate, it would be
better for all concerned if they stayed in their own countries.
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I take it you mean "importing Muslims". Various European countries indeed
imported Muslims (and others from former colonies) as "guest workers", whose
chances of integrating were minimal. Though those programmes have faded,
immigration restrictions have taken their place, and most Muslim entrants to EU
countries, now, are asylum seekers or family members. "Integration", well, it
depends what you mean. I could name some notably integrated British Muslims --
that is, notable Britons who are Muslim and whom I'd call integrated -- but I'm
not sure there's much point.
I don't know what you mean by "pay for the Social Security shortfall as another
entitlement".
Judy Evans, Cardiff
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