>Form and meaning are integral, so "form" cannot really be overemphasized. M.C. Is this argument really valid? We could state it schematically as follows : "If x (form) and y (content) are integral to something, then it's impossible to overemphasize x or y.. Yet surely it is at least *logically* possible for me (1) to agree that both oil and vinegar are integral to making salad dressing, and yet for me to also say you need at least one hundred times as much vinegar as you do oil to make a good dressing." Surely in these statements I'm *both* admitting that oil and vinegar are integral to dressing, *and* overemphasizing the importance of vinegar. _____ To render form and content as x and y is to posit discrete entities that can be separated, or exist separately and can be combined, as is the case with oil and vinegar in salad dressing. Yet I have argued that form and content arise together and exist together in writing, cannot be pulled off the shelf and combined, as oil and vinegar are. Nevertheless, let your analogy stand. Can you argue that the amount of â?? vinegarâ?? in salad dressing is equivalent to â??overemphasizing the importance of vinegarâ??? I think not, since palatable salad dressing by definition has this disproportionate quantity of ingredients. Take the analogy of ink and paper on a page of printed text. (1) If paper and ink are integral to a page of printed text, it's impossible to overemphasize paper. (2) If paper and ink are integral to a page of printed text, it's impossible to overemphasize ink. Both (1) and (2) seem true. â??A page of printed textâ?? is paper and ink combined in a special way. Paper and ink are necessary conditions for â??a page of printed textâ?? to exist, but they are more than that. They are like sound and silence: they arise together, and we are incapable of knowing one without knowing the other. And the quantity doesn't matter, since a page of printed text could be a page of Ronald Sukenikâ??s _98.6_ with one word on it (low quantity of ink) or the entirely black page from _Tristram Shandy_ (high quantity of ink). ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html