Mike, I took up your second paragraph (below) at some length at http://www.lawrencehelm.com/2010/06/on-islamist-desire-to-destroy-israel.htm l Lawrence From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lawrence Helm Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 9:05 AM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Flotilla Qhoir: "We Con the World" Mike, Exceeding Lit-Ideas length-limit once again, I posted my response at http://www.lawrencehelm.com/2010/06/flotilla-adventure.html Lawrence From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Geary Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 8:29 AM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Flotilla Qhoir: "We Con the World" Well you certainly should have been surprised, Lawrence, not only surprised, but as much amused as I am by your post, given that I have no such sympathy, nor did I write anything or have I ever written anything to suggest that I feel sympathy for the Muslim Brotherhood. You make me nostalgic for the late 50's to middle 60's when Commies roamed the halls of Congress, infiltrated all the universities polluting the minds of our young with the poison of Marxism, ran Hollywood propaganda machine, fluoridated our water and contaminated our precious bodily fluids. Having a purely evil adversary is both scary and uplifting. Come, Papiols, let's to moral clarity! I have no life save when I have an enemy to fight. I am fanatically opposed to fanaticism of any shape. I am my own worst enemy. I despise Islamic fanaticism as well as Zionist fanaticism as well as American fanaticism -- you get the picture, I'm sure. Is Hamas an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood? Could be. Don't know. Don't care. They are the democratically elected leaders of Gaza Strip. The IDF is not, nor the Knesset, nor Washington. If I were king of the world, I'd outlaw Likud and Hamas, in fact, I'd kill just about everybody, but I'm not king, so you'll just have to live and let live. I have no desire to revisit the crimes of Israel vis-a-vis the crimes of the Pals and other Arabs. All are at fault. I accuse Israel of being Third Reichian, because like the Third Reich, Israel is pursuing a Labensraum policy, a land grab inspired by fanatical Zionists who want to reclaim all the "Holy Land" as the Jewish Homeland deeded to them by God. But the only God I recognize is the UN who in 1948 established the State of Israel with set borders. If you think Israel hasn't committed atrocities of the same scope and scale as the Pals, I can only assume that you follow a very different moral code than I do. If Israel wants peace over property, then they must return to the pre-1967 borders, then all can talk. But I don't think that's very likely to happen. There's no Rabin around to lead Israel out of the jungle. That's why Iran feels it imperative to acquire nuclear weapons. And why Saudi Arabia will, and Egypt and Syria, even Burma now wants one. Re: Noam Chomsky. I do have great admiration for the clarity of his thought and his courage to tell the world to fuck off. But I'm no Noam. He's about a 100 IQ points ahead of me. But I certainly share more of his values than Cheney's. Unfortunately, it doesn't surprise me that you would have no problem with war in the Middle East. You may well get your wish very soon: Report: Erdogan considering visiting Gaza to 'break blockade' "Erdogan reportedly raised the idea in conversations with close associates and even informed the United States of his intention to ask the Turkish Navy to accompany another aid flotilla to Gaza. The Americans asked Erdogan to delay his plans, in light of tensions on the region, the Lebanese report said." http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/report-erdogan-considering-vis iting-gaza-to-break-blockade-1.294326 Mike Geary Memphis