That's more or less exactly what I thought, Stan. (Have you been bugging my brain?!) I also thought that while as it were objectively Kerry won many people would think Bush did, so was inclined to call it a draw. SS>Go to MSNBC.com and you'll see Kerry at 68% to Bush at 32%. Perhaps not that surprising: Msn's round-by-round score gave it to Kerry. Saturday, October 9, 2004, 7:23:19 AM, Stan Spiegel wrote: SS> Julie - SS> Bush was more composed -- and did better this time. He showed how SS> intelligent he is by remembering all his lies and articulating them in a SS> fairly articulate way. You could see his blood pressure rising as you SS> watched Kerry beat the shit out of him. But he gave as good as he got. Bush SS> showed what a capable sociopath he is. CNN's polls -- while a few more SS> Republicans than Democrats were represented -- showed Kerry to be the winner SS> at 47% to 44%. Amazing! Go to MSNBC.com and you'll see Kerry at 68% to Bush SS> at 32%. It'll be interesting to listen to Talk Radio tomorrow and listen to SS> their perspective on the debate. What they can't garble, however, is that SS> universally Kerry -- whether by large or small increments -- won. The stats SS> are all in his favor. SS> Karen Hughes was the prime GOP spinster and you heard her interesting SS> distortions about how clearly and persuasively Bush has succeeded at SS> job-creation. Hillary was the counterpoint for the Democratic viewpoint. You SS> missed a worthwhile evening. SS> Stan Spiegel SS> still nervous in Maine -- Judy Evans, Cardiff, UK mailto:judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html