In a message dated 4/4/2011 12:49:35 P.M., jejunejesuit.geary2@xxxxxxxxx writes: >The price of free will >An excerpt from a lecture on the freedom free will by Michael Geary in Freedom Hall. Admission ----- Speranza had suggested we called this "Eleutherian Hall" -- "More classy, no?". Geary's reply is not on record. >Admission was free to those willing to freely admit they have no free will. Others were not admitted. ----- (Speranza had complained that this would result in a 'biased' audience ("You'll only get a deterministic, noncompatibilist sort of audience -- and 'for free', too. But I suppose you know who you need to educate"). --- Excerpts: Geary writes: ""Free at last, free at last! Thank God almighty, I'm free at last!" But will it last? That's the question. Freedom's not free, they say. Ah! But do they say so of their own free will? There's the rub. We all like a good rub down, but no one likes to be rubbed the wrong way. Wrong? The word makes me think of "right". Notice I said: "makes me think." The key phoneme here is "ke". KE is what turns the potentiality [the MA(Y)] of make into the done deal. What is it that makes me think anything? Right or wrong, I think. I think Decartes said that. We can't not think. Not even for a second. I've tried. Everybody here, in this hall, try right now, empty your mind of all thoughts. Don't think anything for ten seconds. Ready. Start....one.......[4 second delay]................................ two............[5 second delay...................three....... [A shout from the audience: "That's too slow."] Too slow, the man says. A show of hands -- how many of you thought I was counting slower than a second? [all in the audience raise their hands] Thank you for proving my point. You people have no control over your own minds. You do not have free will. Will has free-you. Will uses you freely to effect its own desires and devices. You're not YOU, you're the servant, nay, the slave of Will. Where do you think the term "willy-nilly" comes from? Nil, means none in Latin. To go about willy-nilly is to go around and without any will. Willy-nillyitis is the itch to "do" but with no controling agent. It's like being in a car with a broken steering wheel, but you don't know it's broken because you don't have a destination. I think that about sums it up. Or divides it down the middle or maybe it's all total loss. Is life a zero divisor? Who knows? Who cares? End of Lecture. Go home. Mike Geary (nee Fred Freeman) Memphis Motivational Ministry ------- "Freedom's not free" --------[ (Speranza offered a Strawsonian formalisation. Suppose we formalise 'free' by the letter or predicate "f" we say x is f Something is free. This is what Strawson calls first-order predicate calculus. The options are multiple but best seen as a square A ---- E I ---- O For A, we have, "all is free". In symbols (x)Fx For E: Nothing is free. For I: Something is free. For O: Something is not free. ----- ("Balloney", murmured Geary). "The fun comes when we transfer this to a second-order predicate calculus, as per Geary's casual, "Freedom is not free, they say". Where 'they' does not require contextual anaphorisation (It is obvious he refers to his mother. If Geary's mother is NOT included by the use of 'they' in "they say" how _they_ can 'they' be?) The statement, "Freedom is not free" allows for what Strawson (in "Subject and predicate in logic and grammar", Methuen) calls 'first-grade reduction". Consider the relation " = " we say "2 = 2" but also "2 = 1 + 1" We say that 'identity' is symmetrical. This sort of claim also involves this higher-order predication which should ALWAYS be reduced to a first-order predication. In the case of "Freedom is not free" there is an implicature ('but merely an implicature, not an implication" Geary hastens to stipulate) of paradox. "How can freedom not be free?" It would seem that if we start from A (x)Fx --- all is free Then, freedom HAS to be free. ------ "Non sequitur." Geary commented. "By the same token you would say that redness is red. But it ain't. Apples are red, and lips are red. But redness ain't red. Mutatis mutandis, freedom." ------ A participant of the seminar objected to the focusing on 'free' as applied to 'Will". ""Freedom", he said, "is more general than 'free' as when we apply 'free' to 'free will'" ------- "In fact, the correct suffix should be -ness. Free-ness. -Dom is an archaic suffix." "The latinate suffix is -y, as in 'libert-y'" "But liberty ain't freedom" ------ "Plus, what _is_ 'libert'? ----- At this point Geary expanded on the formation of Latin nouns. ""Libertas" was the nominative in Latin. It was represented as a woman, hence the feminine gender. Whereas Freedom, in Anglo-Saxon, was neuter or epicene. When The French brought the statue to New York, the point was made to call her "Freedom" -- but we thought "Liberty" was better since it ("liberty", feminine in Latin) was appropriately represented by a female. And the idiom stuck." ----- "Why is it that _will_ need to be 'free'?" "It need not. But you are free to think otherwise." At this point, Geary repeated his slogan, "Go home." ---- JLS ----- for the Swimming-Pool Library Appendix. Eleutheric constraints! From an online source: _http://yessenin-volpin.org/onthelogic.pdf_ (http://yessenin-volpin.org/onthelogic.pdf) I appreciate the attempt to disambiguate 'free' by sticking with the Greek, 'eleutheric'" "By the term ‘freedom1’ (svoboda) [Since there are no English terms which convey the contrast of svobodny and vol’ny, subscripts will be used: ‘ free1’ and ‘free2’] I mean the quality of acts of not being obstructed, i.e., impeded by obstacles; I call such act free1 (svobodny). I call an activity free1 if in any of its situations every one of its acts is free1, etc. I call an agent free1 if his activity is free1. In this way the term ‘freedom1’ signifies a quality of both an action and an agent. In this case, in particular, ‘obstacles’ are understood as eventual obstacles. The organic possibility of an act or an activity is compatible with the presence of an eventual obstacle which will not be realized. Therefore one may have the possibility of performing unfree1 acts and carrying on an unfree1 activity. An activity encountering obstacles is not free1, but if these obstacles are overcome, a wider activity, including overcoming these obstacles within it, may be free1. A free1 act can be compelled. This often happens since a person compelling an act usually does not obstruct this act and may even eliminate obstacles. I call the quality of an act’s not being compelled its freedom (vol’nost) and the activity consisting only of free2 (vol’ny) acts free2,— in which case I ignore compulsions deriving from the requirements of the activity itself (i.e., describing its tactics). I call an agent free2 if his activity is free2 and if, in addition, he has not been compelled to choose it. I call this capacity in an agent his freedom2. A free2 act may be unfree2 , and the same is true of an activity or agent. Ordinary language uses these terms inconsistently, creating a powerful obstacle to their correct usage. "Therefore, a term is needed designating the combination of freedom1 and freedom2." "I will designate this combination by the Greek word e/eutheria, and I will call acts, activities, and agents which are both free1 and free2 eleutheric." "Even this term is not felicitous in all respects. I call the absence of obstacles to the opposite act the independence of an act (understanding opposites as a pair of acts [A, not-A]—not-not-A-acts can usually be identified with A; in the contrary case the question becomes more complicated)." "I will call an act which possesses this property independent, an activity made up only of independent acts independent, and I will call the doer (agent) of an independent activity independent if the very choice of the activity is independent for him or if this activity is not selected by him and he did not have obstacles to prevent his selecting it." "Acts compelled by the rules of an activity (including rules of external activities) are not considered as obstacles here. Independence is certainly a narrower quality than freedom2 (i.e., an independent act must he free2, etc.)." "Sometimes it is convenient to consider ‘eleutheria’ as the combination of freedom1 and independence." "I prefer to call this eleutheria in the narrower sense, keeping the previous meaning for eleutheria." "Morality can be established for the most varied purposes." "It may he as hostile to the freedom1 and freedom2 of an activity as one could wish." And so on. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html