He trained in and played for their youth team, which takes people from the age of nine. ( But people do say "Arsenal" when they mean "Arsenal Academy/Arsenal's youth team".) He signed for Arsenal when he was 17. He has now signed a long-term contract. My next door neighbour's son was to try out for Cardiff City, i.e. Cardiff City's Youth Academy, when he was about that age. He had to miss the trial because of an accident -- he cut his arm very badly'; he is thank goodness OK now -- and apparently, he may have lost his chance of playing for it/training in it. Not that he can't try again, but it was the crucial time. (He's a great kid, too.) anyway... Judy Evans, Cardiff --- On Mon, 1/11/10, David Ritchie <ritchierd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: David Ritchie <ritchierd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Conundrum of the Carpe D. To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Monday, 1 November, 2010, 16:20 "Wilshere, 18, has been at the Gunners since he was nine years old," This from a BBC story about one of Arsenal's players signing a long-term contract. My question is why did they wait so long to sign him in the first place? At age nine they must have had what...three years' evidence of his playing ability? What an extraordinary world. David Ritchie,Portland, Oregon