[liblouis-liblouisxml] Re: Compressing whitespace on a node by node basis in LibLouisUTDML
- From: Keith Creasy <kcreasy@xxxxxxx>
- To: "liblouis-liblouisxml@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <liblouis-liblouisxml@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 12:04:50 +0000
What you say makes perfect sense John. Are we finding that words improperly run
together is a common problem? If this happens it is actually an error since a
browser is also going to run them together. The only exceptions might be in a
table or definition list where the cell separation provides the separation
rather than hard spaces. Table cells can be dealt with however and so also
should not be a problem.
Keith
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Subject: [liblouis-liblouisxml] Re: Compressing whitespace on a node by node
basis in LibLouisUTDML
Usually when words are run together it is a mistake. As a reader I want to see
the words separated and contracted properly. Running words together can make
very messy Grade 2.
John
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 08:18:38PM +0000, Michael Whapples wrote:
> I think this is coming back to a fairly recent bug report of not being
> able to achieve certain spacing when emphasis is used.
>
> I don't think any action was taken over that issue, despite the
> reasonable suggestion that may be liblouisutdml should handle
> whitespace at the beginning and end of nodes as defined for the XHTML
> standard.
>
> Using \s in the third column in my mind is totally unacceptable as it
> prevents one from ever having the two words run together, even when
> its the user's desire and they have followed the document format
> standard for achieving it.
>
> PS. I think there are Braille notations for part emphasised words,
> just don't know them off hand, those cases are so rare one never really meets
> it.
>
> Michael Whapples
> On 12/03/2014 19:39, John Gardner wrote:
> >John, this is very strange. How can one distinguish am emphasized
> >letter or phrase that is part of a word from emphasized words or
> >phrases unless spaces are explicitly indicated somehow? If one
> >writes in html and leaves out spaces between two text spans, those
> >two text spans have no space between them in the output.
> >
> >John G
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >[mailto:liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John J.
> >Boyer
> >Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 12:23 PM
> >To: liblouis-liblouisxml@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [liblouis-liblouisxml] Re: Compressing whitespace on a node
> >by node basis in LibLouisUTDML
> >
> >I put the \s in dtbook.sem to keep words from running together. It
> >causes a space to be placed before the text in the em tag. Without it
> >there are a lot of words run together in Bookshare files. That is
> >messy, because it makes liblouis think that there is an ialicized
> >part of a word. I don't know if it is necessary in nimas.sem .
> >
> >nemeth.sem uses the third column a lot. You can see how it is used by
> >looking at transcribe_math in transcribe_math.c .
> >
> >John
> >
> >On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 06:18:07PM +0000, Keith Creasy wrote:
> >>John.
> >>
> >>Yes, it seems simple that \s means a single space but when it's in
> >>the
> >line of a semantic action file such as :
> >>Italic em \s
> >>
> >>What is the effect? A single space is added every time the <em>
> >>element is
> >encountered? This seems unnecessary. Maybe it isn't actually needed.
> >I am assuming someone put it there for a reason but I can't think
> >what it might be.
> >>
> >>I'd suggest these be removed from nimas.sem and epub.sem until we
> >>find a
> >reason to add them back.
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >[mailto:liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John J.
> >Boyer
> >>Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 2:12 PM
> >>To: liblouis-liblouisxml@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>Subject: [liblouis-liblouisxml] Re: Compressing whitespace on a node
> >>by
> >node basis in LibLouisUTDML
> >>What would be the criteria for suppressing whitespace only for
> >>certain
> >nodes? The compression is done in insert_text in transcriber.c
> >>\s means a single space, just as it does in liblouis.
> >>
> >>John
> >>
> >>On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 05:58:27PM +0000, Michael Whapples wrote:
> >>>Hello,
> >>>Is it possible to get liblouisutdml to compress the whitespace only
> >>>for certain nodes in a document?
> >>>
> >>>Also what is \s meant to do when it is in the third column of a
> >>>liblouisutdml semantic action file? I have gathered it has
> >>>something to do with spacing but cannot locate any documenting of this.
> >>>
> >>>Michael Whapples
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>For a description of the software, to download it and links to
> >>>project pages go to http://www.abilitiessoft.com
> >>--
> >>John J. Boyer; President, Chief Software Developer Abilitiessoft, Inc.
> >>http://www.abilitiessoft.com
> >>Madison, Wisconsin USA
> >>Developing software for people with disabilities
> >>
> >>For a description of the software, to download it and links to
> >>project
> >pages go to http://www.abilitiessoft.com
> >>For a description of the software, to download it and links to
> >>project pages go to http://www.abilitiessoft.com
>
> For a description of the software, to download it and links to project
> pages go to http://www.abilitiessoft.com
--
John J. Boyer; President, Chief Software Developer Abilitiessoft, Inc.
http://www.abilitiessoft.com
Madison, Wisconsin USA
Developing software for people with disabilities
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