[LRflex] Re: R-10 Survey Results...
- From: William Abbott <wbabbott3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:29:56 -0700
David,
Thank you for the thoughtful survey choices and for compiling the
results. I'll tuck them away to compare with it when it arrives.
I hope Leica will find them useful in choosing their "point design"
among the many parameters.
All my best,
Bill
On Oct 24, 2006, at 11:01 PM, David Young wrote:
> All:
> As promised, here are the results of the R-10 "Wish List" survey.
>
> Many people are very insistent that their pet feature is paramount,
> and that I must somehow take that into account. However, sometimes
> features, such as 'live view" , while intensely popular with a few,
> are deeply unpopular with most. I fear that many will not be pleased
> with the results!
>
> Please don't shoot me... I don't make up the answers... I just report
> them! The survey will go to Leica (in the form presented below)
> Wednesday.
>
> BTW: I am very disappointed with the turnout... of over 240 members,
> just over 50 bothered to complete the questionnaire. To all those
> who did, my most sincere thanks. You did a fine job and it was fun
> compiling the answers. :-)
>
> Cheers!
>
> David.
>
>
> -------------------------------
>
>
> [1] A fine grained 35mm film is equivalent to about 22 million
> pixels. However, given the current state of the art, the more pixels
> packed onto a chip, the smaller each one will be. Thus, more
> application is needed resulting in more "noise". OTOH, each
> generation of chips improves things a bit. Assuming that noise can
> be held to the same levels as currently enjoyed by the DMR, how many
> pixels would you like to see in the next "R" camera?
>
> [A] 10mp? 2.2%
> [B] 12mp? 10.9%
> [C] 14mp? 13.0%
> [D] 16mp? 23.9%
> [E] 18mp? 8.7%
> [F] 20mp? 23.9%
> [G] Don't care. 17.4%
>
> [2] Full frame sensors create their own problems with vignetting, due
> to the angle the light rays hit the outer pixels. This problem is
> less pronounced in reflex cameras than in rangefinder ones, due to
> the need to keep the rear lens elements out of the way of the mirror.
> And, they allow wide angle lenses to work as they were
> intended. APS-C sized sensors (as in the current DMR) are lower in
> cost, have virtually no vignetting problems and give an advantage to
> tele lens users. Your preference for sensor size would be...
>
> [A] Full Frame 56.5%
> [B] APS-C or 15.2%
> [C] somewhere in between? 28.3%
>
>
> [3] Sensor format: Many small "Point & Pray" digi-cameras use the
> 16:9 aspect ratio of the new wide screen TV's. 35mm (and the M8, DMR
> and nearly all other dSLR's) uses the classic 3:2 format. Should
> the next "R" camera use
>
> [A] the classic 3:2 (35mm) format or 93.5%
> [B] the new 16:9 "wide screen" format? 4.3%
>
>
> [4] Many have criticized the R8 and R9 for their size.... yet praised
> them for their ergonomics. Would you prefer the mythical "R10" to be
>
> [A] similar in size to the R8 & R9, 41.3%
> [B] similar to the R8 or R9 with DMR (or motor drive) attached 8.7%
> [C] smaller, like the R4 through 7 models, 30.4%
> [D] somewhere in between the R7 and R9 or 19.6%
> [E} even larger than the R9 w/DMR? 0.0%
>
>
> [5] Newer, polycarbonate bodied cameras are considerably lighter than
> the current 'R' cameras from Leica. How important is it to you that
> the next generation be lighter bodies?
>
> [A] Very important 28.3 %
> [B] not important or 45.7 %
> [C] doesn't matter. 26.1 %
>
>
> [6] Current R cameras offer a variety of exposure modes... Aperture
> Priority, Shutter Priority, Programme mode and Manual. Please
> indicate which mode (A, S, P, M) you use the most and give a
> percentage of use. (For instance, I use only Aperture Priority, so
> my answer would be A - 100%. Someone else might be A - 60%, P -
> 40%) Please list all modes you use and the percentages you use
> each one.
>
> Aperture Priority 56%
> Shutter Priority 5%
> Program Mode 16%
> Manual 23%
>
>
> [7] Current R cameras offer Spot, Center-weighted and Matrix
> metering. Please list the exposure modes (S,C,M) and the percentages
> of use for each, (as above).
>
> Spot metering: 39.4%
> Center-weighted: 22.2%
> Matrix Metering: 38.5%
>
>
> [8] Current Autofocus cameras utilize plastic (polycarbonate) lens
> barrels. Their lower mass means that they can be focused more quickly
> with smaller motors (read lightweight and longer battery
> life). Would you want the next R to have autofocus if it meant
> going to such lenses?
>
> [A] Yes. 42.2%
> [B] No. 57.8%
>
>
> [9] If Leica were able to build autofocus lenses that maintained the
> traditional Leica build quality and materials (as well as decent
> battery life), would you want the next 'R" camera to have
> autofocus?
>
> [A] Yes 52.2%
> [B] No. 47.8%
>
>
> [10] If you prefer not to have autofocus, or if you would use
> existing Leica MF lenses on the new 'R' camera, how important is
> focus confirmation?
>
> [A] Very important 28.3%
> [B] Somewhat important 47.8%
> [C] Not important at all. 24.4%
>
>
>
> [11] If Leica were (able) to design autofocus lenses for the 'R'
> series... such a change might necessitate a different lens
> mount. How important is it that any newer lens mount be compatible
> with your existing R lenses?
>
> [A] Absolutely must be compatible, 82.2%
> [B] it would be nice, but not absolutely necessary 15.6%
> [C] not important at all. 2.2%
>
>
>
> [12] If the lens mount were to be changed, it might be possible to
> make an adapter which would allow the use of existing lenses in
> Aperture Priority mode only. Would this route be
>
> [A] acceptable to you 73.3%
> [B] Not acceptable? 26.7%
>
>
> [13] How important is it to you to have a large LCD screen for
> menus/'chimping"?
>
> [A] Very important, 26.7%
> [B] somewhat important, 55.6%
> [C] not important. 17.8%
>
>
> [14] Bearing in mind that having "live view" in an SLR means
> siphoning some light from the finder to a second sensor, how
> important "live view" ... ie: the LCD screen constantly shows what
> the camera is "seeing"?
>
> [A] Very important 8.9%
> [B] somewhat important, 6.7%
> [C] not important. 84.4%
>
>
> [15] The R8 & R9 finders are amongst the brightest and best anywhere,
> and probably second only to the finders in the Leica SL. How
> important is finder brightness to you? Should the next 'R' camera's
> finder be:
>
> [A] as bright as the SL's finder, 44.4%
> [B] as bright as the R8/9, 37.8%
> [C] as bright as the R7 finder 8.9%
> [D] acceptable at a lower level of brightness. 6.7%
>
>
> [16] How important is battery life? Remember the longer the life,
> the larger (and heavier) the battery. So, within the constraints of
> reasonable weight and size (and the number of shot you take in an
> average day) , how many shots would you like to see on a single
> charge.
>
> [A] 150 (the current DMR's level) 20.0%
> [B] 190 (the current M8's level) 26.7%
> [C] 250 40.0%
> [D] 400 or more? 13.3%
>
>
> [17] Speed is an issue. Do you use a winder or motor with your
> current camera. How fast should the next "R" be capable of
> shooting?
>
> [A] 2 fps, 33.3%
> [B] 4 fps, 55.6%
> [C] 6 fps, 11.1%
> [C] more. 0.0%
>
>
> [18] The other speed issue is that of writing to the memory
> cards. Faster writing means you can empty the buffer and shoot more
> rapidly, but faster processors consume more battery power. To you, is
>
>
> [A] battery life more important than card writing speed, or
> 40.0%
> [B] speed of writing to cards more important than battery life?
> 60.0%
>
>
> [19] Mechanical noise is always a factor in any camera. Recently I
> used a Nikon D-200 and was pleasantly surprised at it's lower noise
> level. How important is it to you that the new "R" be mechanically
> quieter than the current models?
>
> [A] very important, 31.1%
> [B] not too important or 57.8%
> [C] not important at all. 11.1%
>
>
> [20] Price is always a factor. Remembering that the new M8 is
> approximately US$5000 and the R9/DMR combo is around $7,500, what
> would you expect pay for a new Leica 'R' - assuming it has most of
> the features you want?
>
> [A] $4000, 28.9%
> [B] $5000, 48.9%
> [C] $6000, 15.6%
> [D] $7000, 4.4%
> [E] $8000, 2.2%
> [F] More than $8000. 0.0%
>
>
>
>
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>
> David Young,
> Logan Lake, CANADA
>
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