Known for... By whom...? Aren't we gulity of putting words into John Lennons mouth that he would have spat out instantly, assigning opinions to him that he never uttered? And who are we, to hold him to standards we choose for him? I doubt very much John would ever have claimed that he was perfect, on the contrary he is on record telling people that he was as messed up as anyone. Not to follow him or expect him to have all the answers but to make up your own mind. For Imagine, Give Peace... Happy Xmas etc. there are God, Working Class Hero, Help, Norwegian Wood, How do You Sleep, Giime some thruth etc. etc. If Imagine is just about dreaming the impossible, Give Peace a Chance and Happy Xmas are political statements, All You Need is Zeitgeist, Starting Over a personal snapshot about finding something worth in life. He was just a human being, with faults and occasional nasty streaks as well, but should that have meant he couldn't go about telling people that peace is not such a bad idea after all? Cheers Jens Den 01-11-2010 17:10, no1voice skrev: >> I do not see John Lennon as a songwriter of positive images, with few >> exceptions (Imagine being one). > I didn't say that was what he WAS, I said it was what he was > 'known for', no matter how that jived with his real life; > > Imagine, All You Need Is Love, Starting Over, > Give Peace A Chance, Happy Christmas (War Is Over) > if you want it... etc. being more than one. > > I don't think Wacko Jacko's personal life was the rainbows-n-unicorns > ideal, either! But both men seemed to enjoy wearing those shoes no > matter how much of it represented the truth for them... > > > > >