Yes - a good observation. I is indeed like the early days of PCI when a proper ATC system existed. I guess the scrapping of this and the loss of venerable staff like Steve Tape and Tony was the start of the collapse of a decent ATC system. We do reasonably well in PCI but with no structure and no laid down procedures it stops any embryonic controllers from learning even the basics. With IVAO's current lack of solid UK coverage it's probably the best time to jump in. I'm sure it will regenerate quickly. bones -----Original Message----- From: jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gerry Winskill Sent: 30 July 2007 20:29 To: jhb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jhb] IVAO I'm becoming quite impressed by IVAO, it can be all things to all men, etc. I did a flight this afternoon, where there were no UK controllers butup to eight pilots flying in the UK airspace. So it was possible to fly in an area wehere there were other flyers, or where there were none. The Unicom text window was reasonably busy. If I'd needed a controled environment then I could have flown cross channel, or to Ireland. Rather like the old PCI but with more users. Gerry Winskill