RE: understanding tables with Jaws
- From: "Chris Jenkins" <saveup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:56:26 -0400
Hello Daniel.
You can find these keystrokes in the Jaws help. The book is Jaws keystrokes
topic jaws keystrokes for working in tables.
I hope this helps.
Chris.
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Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 3:39 PM
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Subject: Re: understanding tables with Jaws
Chris,
You're really generous to copy these navigation keys into your message.
Thanks very, very much. Just so I know, where did you find this
information? In the Jaws help documentation in a particular section or
book? If so, please tell me which section or book contains the subsection
or chapter about this stuff, so I'll know where I might have found it, or
how to find it again if necessary.
Thanks again,
Daniel
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From: "Chris Jenkins" <saveup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:29 PM
Subject: RE: understanding tables with Jaws
Hello Daniel.
You have the table visualized correctly. Jaws for Windows has table
navigation keys and if you use the table navigation keys. You could move
from sell to sell and Jaws should report Monday 70 degrees. Assuming Monday
was in the first row and 70 degrees is in the row that you are moving
across. The table navigation keys are listed below.
Keystrokes for Working in Tables
Keystrokes for Working in Tables
JAWS now supports standard commands for working in tables. These commands
work in most popular applications, allowing you access right away - without
having
to learn the application specific commands. As you become more familiar with
new applications, you may find it easier to use the commands specific to
that
program, or it might be easier for you to continue using these commands.
Commands for Moving within Tables
These commands move focus to the indicated cell and speak the contents. Cell
and row coordinates as well as column and/or row heading information may
also
be provided.
Summary: Commands for moving within tables.
Table with 2 columns and 12 rows
Description
Command
Say Current Cell
ALT+CTRL+NUM PAD 5
Cell to Right
ALT+CTRL+RIGHT ARROW
Cell to Left
ALT+CTRL+LEFT ARROW
Cell Below
ALT+CTRL+DOWN ARROW
Cell Above
ALT+CTRL+UP ARROW
First Cell
ALT+CTRL+HOME
Last Cell
ALT+CTRL+END
First Cell in Column
ALT+CTRL+SHIFT+UP ARROW
Last Cell in Column
ALT+CTRL+SHIFT+DOWN ARROW
First Cell in Row
ALT+CTRL+SHIFT+LEFT ARROW
Last Cell in Row
ALT+CTRL+SHIFT+RIGHT ARROW
table end
Table Reading Commands
Summary: Table Reading Commands
Table with 2 columns and 8 rows
Description
Command
Say Current Cell
ALT+CTRL+NUM PAD 5
Read Current Row
INSERT+SHIFT+UP ARROW
Read from Start of Row
INSERT+SHIFT+HOME
Read to End of Row
INSERT+SHIFT+PAGE UP
Read Current Column
INSERT+SHIFT+NUM PAD 5
Read from Top of Column
INSERT+SHIFT+END
Read to Bottom of Column
INSERT+SHIFT+PAGE DOWN
table end
You can find all of this and more in the Jaws helped.
I hope this helps.
Chris.
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Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 2:03 PM
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Subject: understanding tables with Jaws
I think this is a basic issue that I've just never understood. when I'm on
a Web page, let's take a weather page of an online newspaper for example,
take the 5-day forecast feature of the Los Angeles times weather page. For
anyone interested, the home page is
www.latimes.com,
and then from that page
click on either Forecast or Weather, which both lead to the weather page.
Okay. So I click on a this page link for the 5-day forecast. I'm taken
down the page to the title 5-day forecast, and when I arrow down, Jaws
announces that I'm entering a table.
Now, this is a fairly simple table, which is why I can handle it in my
simple way, though I'd like to know if there's a better approach. First,
Jaws presents a list of the names of the days. I suppose they're what I'd
see across the top of the table, if I could see this and Jaws hadn't
rearranged it.
Then, and I assume these cells are presented from left to right across the
"real" web page so that they line up under the days they pertain to, comes
a list of the expected sky conditions: Partly cloudy, sunny, etc.
Finally, I assume also in a line from left to right beneath this, comes a
sequence of expected high and low temperatures for each day. 72/54, 69/53,
and so forth.
Well, with this table, as with any I encounter on a Web page with Jaws (I
just don't happen to have encountered tables or created any in Word), my
method of gleaning information from them is to visualize the table as it
must look in actuality, and memorize which things on the X axis must
correspond with which things on the Y axis, or however I imagine the table
is laid out. Unconsciously, I'm counting, in the sense that if Friday is
the third day in the list of days, then the third sky condition descriptor
or
set of high and low temperatures must belong to Frieday.
Sometimes, as with this weather forecast feature, it's not too difficult to
do. But in tables that are any more complex than this, it's sometimes
mind-boggling difficult for me. Am I doing the only thing a Jaws user can
do (minus the visualization for those who don't have a graphical image to
refer to) but always with the memorization and painstaking correlation? Or
am I misunderstanding how you're supposed to "view" a table under Jaws?
Thanks.
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