To navigate in tables in Internet or Word you should hold down the alt and control keys while using the arrow keys to read virtically and horozontally through the table. The column and row headings should be read to you as you move through the table. HTH RTV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "JFW List" <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 1:02 PM Subject: understanding tables with Jaws I think this is a basic issue that I've just never understood. when I'm on a Web page, let's take a weather page of an online newspaper for example, take the 5-day forecast feature of the Los Angeles times weather page. For anyone interested, the home page is www.latimes.com, and then from that page click on either Forecast or Weather, which both lead to the weather page. Okay. So I click on a this page link for the 5-day forecast. I'm taken down the page to the title 5-day forecast, and when I arrow down, Jaws announces that I'm entering a table. Now, this is a fairly simple table, which is why I can handle it in my simple way, though I'd like to know if there's a better approach. First, Jaws presents a list of the names of the days. I suppose they're what I'd see across the top of the table, if I could see this and Jaws hadn't rearranged it. Then, and I assume these cells are presented from left to right across the "real" web page so that they line up under the days they pertain to, comes a list of the expected sky conditions: Partly cloudy, sunny, etc. Finally, I assume also in a line from left to right beneath this, comes a sequence of expected high and low temperatures for each day. 72/54, 69/53, and so forth. Well, with this table, as with any I encounter on a Web page with Jaws (I just don't happen to have encountered tables or created any in Word), my method of gleaning information from them is to visualize the table as it must look in actuality, and memorize which things on the X axis must correspond with which things on the Y axis, or however I imagine the table is laid out. Unconsciously, I'm counting, in the sense that if Friday is the third day in the list of days, then the third sky condition descriptor or set of high and low temperatures must belong to Frieday. Sometimes, as with this weather forecast feature, it's not too difficult to do. But in tables that are any more complex than this, it's sometimes mind-boggling difficult for me. Am I doing the only thing a Jaws user can do (minus the visualization for those who don't have a graphical image to refer to) but always with the memorization and painstaking correlation? Or am I misunderstanding how you're supposed to "view" a table under Jaws? Thanks. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.8 - Release Date: 4/13/2005 -- To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx -- To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx