Re: two Jaws questions before buying a computer
- From: "John Miller" <n1umj@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:03:04 -0500
oh believe me, mine is a high end but doesn't have the Pentium M processor.
It could hold it's own, but it does lack in a couple areas on my desktop,
not disappointed, I knew that would happen though it was advertised as a
desktop replacement, the average user wouldn't never notice the differences
but I work on and use computers all the time and I notice little things.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chip Orange" <Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 11:48 AM
Subject: RE: two Jaws questions before buying a computer
My only point is that laptops vary quite a bit in their capabilities,
based on your needs and how much you are willing to spend.
The desktop replacement laptops, say the thinkpad R and G series from
IBM, as well as some models of the T series, have performance
measurements as good as your average desktop. The fact that your laptop
doesn't, or Gene's laptop doesn't, proves nothing. I'm sorry you're
both disappointed, so my advice should be modified to say: buy a laptop,
but if speed is your most important criteria, spend time researching it
so you get one comparable to a desktop. =20
Also, a note to you and Gene, most laptops have various power scheme
settings you can choose from. The more expensive ones which use the
Pentium M chipset, which can vary it's speed and so vary its power
consumption, are particularly sensative to which of the power schemes
you choose. You can choose between high system performance and long
battery life, and some balance inbetween. If you're using it on the a/c
power most of the time, and you want it to perform like a desktop, make
sure you've got a power scheme selected that maximizes system
performance (usually by not allowing the processor to lower it's clock
rate). Without this, a Pentium M series can often run its clock at a
third of it's specified rating in order to maximize battery life. This
can happen even when it's on a/c power (although this depends on the O/S
and the laptop manufacturer as to the details of their power management
driver software; btw, this works much better when running xp sp2, which
has built-in power management support for the Pentium M chipset). =20
You should know that the less expensive AMD chipsets, and the Pentium
lines which are not part of the Pentium M series, do not have this
ability to vary their clock speed.
Hth,
Chip Orange
Database Administrator
Florida Public Service Commission
Chip.Orange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
(850) 413-6314
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
> [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Miller
> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:18 AM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: two Jaws questions before buying a computer=20
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> laptops still lack a little today if you run them hard. Mine=20
> is faster then my desk top but if I really run it as a=20
> desktop, I can actually tell the difference in certain=20
> things, nothing major but enough that I'm glad I have both=20
> and don't know if I could go to just the laptop permanently.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chip Orange" <Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:16 AM
> Subject: RE: two Jaws questions before buying a computer
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> I really have no idea what you're talking about.
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> That used to be true 5 years ago, but you should go take a=20
> look at what's available in todays laptops. They're easily=20
> up to any processing task.
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> It's true that the absolutely fastest pcs available are=20
> desktops, but this is like cars and engine sizes; when is=20
> enough enough? For you, maybe never; but for most of us,=20
> we're there already.
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> Chip Orange
> Database Administrator
> Florida Public Service Commission
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> Chip.Orange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> (850) 413-6314
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> =3D20
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D20
> > [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gene
> > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:59 AM
> > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: two Jaws questions before buying a computer=3D20=20
> =3D20 The=20
> >only comment I have is on the laptop/desktop issue. Yes=3D20 =20
> the laptop=20
> >is very portable but it can't even come close to=3D20 the speed and=20
> >flexibility of my desktop. Now if you are using=3D20 it for a few=20
> >specific tasks then the power issue may not mean=3D20 much to=20
> you. But=20
> >if you are like me and use the computer for=3D20 as much as possible =
> >then the laptop won't ever be able to=3D20 keep up with a heavy duty =
> >desktop.
> >=3D20
> > Gene
> >=3D20
> >=3D20
> > ----- Original Message -----=3D20
> > From: "G.W. Cox" <gwcox2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:52 AM
> > Subject: Re: two Jaws questions before buying a computer =3D20 =3D20
> > > You put the program disk into the CD drive, and the=20
> slow-talking guy=20
> > > comes on. When the program is installed, you're prompted for the=20
> > > authorization CD. Mine put in the numbers automatically.
> > > ----- Original Message -----=3D20
> > > From: "Kerri" <ruby75@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:57 PM
> > > Subject: Re: two Jaws questions before buying a computer
> > >
> > >
> > > I will coment though that you will need sighted=20
> assistance for the=20
> > > registration and setting up your new computer as I do not=3D20
> > know how you
> > > would
> > > install jfw prior to this step.
> > > ----- Original Message -----=3D20
> > > From: "jim grimsby" <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 11:28 AM
> > > Subject: RE: two Jaws questions before buying a computer
> > >
> > >
> > > you'll need to find the instructions (I think in the jaws=3D20
> > help) about
> > > how to configure xp initially for best performance with jaws.
> > > Do not bother jaws works fine with xp right out of the box=3D20
> > no need to
> > > worry about all that configuring changing things that fs=3D20
> > seems to think
> > > you need to do. I have just set up xp with jaws many many=3D20
> > times with
> > > out doing any of that other stuff and it worked fine.=20
> =3D3D20 A bigger=20
> > > worry is any new computer, as we have spermatic=3D20
> > reports here of
> > > some computers not working with jaws. It's best to buy=3D20
> > from a source
> > > that will allow you to return it without a financial cost=3D20
> > to you, should
> > > you happen to run into a problem.
> > >
> > > Now, your next natural question is can anyone tell you what=3D20
> > not to buy?
> > > The answer seems to be no, at least in my opinion. You=3D20
> > could get others
> > > to tell you what they had trouble with, but, for each=3D20
> > person who says "I
> > > had trouble with brand X of video card or pc", you'll find=3D20
> > others on the
> > > list here who are using it fine.
> > >
> > > Jaws 6 appears to have fewer problems like this than=3D20
> > earlier versions,
> > > so do try it if you don't have it, in case you run into any=3D20
> > problems.
> > >
> > > I really enjoy having XP (much more than win9x) and you=3D20
> > will to, once
> > > you learn it's slight differences.
> > >
> > > If you aren't going to have sighted assistance setting=20
> this up, you=20
> > > should know that with xp there's a built-in screen reader,=3D20
> > which you can
> > > invoke with the keystroke windows key plus the letter U,=3D20
> > which may help
> > > you in getting past any initial dialogs and starting the jaws=20
> > > installation process. You can then close down the narrator=3D20
> > and utility
> > > manager windows so you don't have dueling speech output.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Just let me on my soapbox for one second: my advice is to=3D20
> > buy a laptop
> > > not a desktop pc. It's more money, but it's so much more=3D20
> > flexible, that
> > > it's really worth it.
> > >
> > > Hth,
> > >
> > >
> > > Chip Orange
> > > Database Administrator
> > > Florida Public Service Commission
> > >
> > > Chip.Orange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > (850) 413-6314
> > >
> > > =3D3D3D20
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D3D3D20 =3D20
> > [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > >> =3D3D
> > >
> > >>On Behalf Of Crystal French
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 12:20 PM
> > >> To: JFW List
> > >> Subject: two Jaws questions before buying a=20
> computer=3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D20 =20
> > >>Hi, I am considering buying a new computer.
> > >>=3D3D3D20
> > >> I have been using Windows 98 se, and am not at all=20
> familiar with =20
> > >>XP.=3D3D20 =3D3D3D20 My access to sighted assistance with a=20
> computer is=20
> > >>pretty =3D
> =3D3D
> > > limited.
> > >>=3D3D3D20
> > >> Are there any good tutorials that would help with Jaws and XP?
> > >>=3D3D3D20
> > >> As to buying the computer, are there any caveats with=20
> Jaws=3D3D3D20 =20
> > >>that I should be aware of?
> > >>=3D3D3D20
> > >> Thanks.
> > >> Crystal
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