Remember the good old days when we were crawling out of dos into windows? Well, some of you will I'm sure. Remember how jaws shaped the way screen reading and interacting with the computer was done and how it was all brand new, frustrating, exciting and challenging and how it opened up a whole new world albiet it slowly to us and how it closed it again and then opened and closed it again? Well, some of you will I'm sure. We now live in a world where jaws is concerned where those of us who use jaws are dictated to by it what software and in some cases, hardware we can use even though there is a lot out there that we could use if only... We also live in a world where jaws is concerned that though the learning curve is steep and in some cases even too steep for some with a technical bent to climb, we have tremendous power at our finger tips. I'll take this last bit first and stop along the way to my main poiint to say that I well remember the use of the jaws cursor for doing a lot of things that could not be done in any other way. One of my tests with jaws was to find ways to do as much as possible without the jaws cursor or custom scripts. Now though it seems that there are people who want scripts for things that jaws can already do because of either a lack of understanding that jaws can do them or a lack of willingness to apply the power of jaws to get it to work for them. This attitude has to change. Folk, we need to work smarter with jaws than to want a script or some special customization to do something that jaws can already do for us if we are to really get our time and money's worth out of it. This is a fact in that if we take the approach that everything needs to be scripted we will limit ourselves to far less than that which we can achieve with the current and growing power of jaws. Rather than asking if there is a script for this or that or can this be scripted, First, find out if there are good ways to do things without scripting. Do this because if you go to a computer that does not have the script for what you want to do and it can be done, or if you loose the script you will be able to do it. I know there is a lot that needs to be scripted and other wise customized from within and with jaws and I'm getting to that but this is one of the most powerfull ways to approach jaws that there is. If efficiency is what you require and there is no approach besides scripting that achieves that efficiency than I'd say that customization is called for but I have found little that can be done with jaws without scripting that needs to be scripted for the sake of efficiency. jaws has a lot of power and if you don't know how much power it has, just read its documentation, listen to its new features cds, explore the web site. If you are concerned with a particular environment such as office or the internet, learn about all that jaws has to offer in that environment from the resources provided including this list. We are faced with a shrinking world who use jaws while others are moving to broader and broader horizons and I hope this will be noticed by fs and corrected as soon as possible. We need access to mozilla, netscape, opera, better access to java application suites and many many more. If we don't get this access, we will be looking else where for our access so that it can be provided to us. This is the way of the world and the market place. We are now at a cross roads as we were when windows became usable by those with screen readers in that it is becoming increasingly possible for screen readers to interact with other platforms. I'm not even sure that the next itteration of windows will be as accessible as this one is. It seems that even though they are accessible, each new itteration of windows becomes less accessible in some ways and this is certainly true of many other microsoft products which is what jaws seems to be primarily focused on. So, like it or not, those of you who see a long future of screen reading ahead for you will find yourself increasingly looking for alternatives to what you have and the potentially less than what you have now than what you will have. I will stay with jaws as long as possible, but when you look around for where to migrate, I'll most likely be there too. I have always and will continue to strive for excellence in the use of jaws and will continue too help those who wish to achieve that excellence at no cost to the best of my ability. When you find your self migrating to a new environment, if I can help, I will. Amazing things are happening and I hope we can all enjoy them together for as astounding as jaws is and it is becoming even more astounding with each new itteration enriching its feature set and providing access in ways we never thought possible, the face of screen reading and interacting with the computer will change forever in the not too distant future. David Poehlman poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx -- To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx