RE: can someone explain the jaws running as a service?
- From: "Wil James" <wil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:58:20 -0500
If JAWS is started as a service, it still offers an interface to its
controls. Try insert+j. If that brings up the JAWS window, the service has
an interface. Try insert+f2. If that brings up the configuration manager,
that service is using an interface. Try insert+v. If that brings up the
adjust JAWS verbosity, the service is using an interface.
The exact same thing would happen if you had JAWS as a startup for a system
that had more than one user.
Some of the underlying parts of Windows has no interface. For example,
kernel32 does not have a way for the user to interface with it.
Does this make JAWS running as a service a bit clearer for you?
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From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Yardbird
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 10:41 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: can someone explain the jaws running as a service?
Very well, Bruce. But in this case, it would help for someone to explain,
then, just when it is that Jaws doesn't offer a user interface during the
startup process, if not showing an interface is actually part of the
definition of what a service is.
Because once the computer is booted, Jaws certainly does have an interface.
Again, a bit of clarification here would be appreciated. I don't think this
should require a Google search. I think just one, coherent, comprehensive
explanation by a knowledgeable person would be sufficient. Not an
encyclopedic entry among pages of Google hits. I know I'd be one
appreciative list subscriber if that kind of information were offered when
someone knows it.Thanks, Daniel
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: can someone explain the jaws running as a service?
> Ah. It gets clearer and clearer. I really appreciate the precision
> of your explanations, Pranav. Thanks very much.
> Bruce, I hope you read this and see that Running as a service doesn't
> simply mean that you're having it load from the startup group in the
> way that happens when you click Run Jaws Automatically. As a service,
> it will load earlier than that, even, and must be specially enabled to
> do so.
>
> This is the end of my curiosity. I have now learned a new, savvy tech
> terminology, and that's nice. Thanks again, Pranav.
>
> Happy sunday,
> Daniel
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pranav Lal" <pranav.lal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 3:36 AM
> Subject: Re: can someone explain the jaws running as a service?
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Having a program load at startup does not make it a service. You need
>> to code specially for this.
>>
>> You can treat a program loading as startup like a service which means
>> that it will load before the desktop is loaded. At that point, you
>> cannot interact with the program.
>>
>> Pranav
>> At 08:34 AM 2/13/2005, Yardbird wrote:
>> So that means that simply having Jaws load during startup does *not*
>> make it run as a service, under this definition? That's what I've
>> tried to get clarified, earlier. When you have Jaws run
>> "automatically," meaning to load at startup, it still provides an
>> interface to the user. You can call up the Jaws menu, in other
>> words. Whereas, if you load something as a service, as
>>
>> I understand from the below and earlier explanations, there *is* no
>> interface and you aren't meant to access it or use its menus or anything.
>> It just runs without being able to be adjusted by the user.
>>
>> Is this correct? If so, then this means that simply having Jaws load
>> automatically/during startup does *not* make it a service. Will
>> someone authoritative on this topic please respond definitively?
>> Thank you very much. There have been contradictory statements about
>> this, and no resolution or even acknowledgement that one definition
>> is contradicting the
>>
>> other.
>>
>> Again, thank you.
>> Daniel
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Pranav Lal" <pranav.lal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 6:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: can someone explain the jaws running as a service?
>>
>>
>> > chevelle,
>> >
>> > A service is a program without a user interface. Its like a TSR in dos.
>> >
>> > As for speed, I doubt it. The concept of a service is applicable to
>> > the
>> NT
>> > class of operating systems that is right from Windows nt to Windows XP.
>> >
>> > Pranav
>> > At 10:25 PM 2/12/2005, chevelle wrote:
>> > Hi, can someone explain more what is meant by jaws running as a
>> > service?
>>
>> > Is
>> > that for windows xp pro only or does this concept apply to windows
>> > xp home.
>> > What happens if you change it so jaws doesn't run as a service.
>> > Will
>> that
>> > speed up jaws starting quicker. Also someone posted a switch
>> > jaws6.0 /default. What is this switch for. thanks.
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