Sorry about leaving all the deleted garbage from my message beneath it. I like to knock typos and things I've revised down away from where I'm typing while I'm composing something, then I try to remember to arrow down to find the junk and delete it before sending the message. I see I was forgetful this time. Sorry. That stuff is pretty weird to hear when you're reading with the Say All command in Jaws, for instance, and it just starts babbling. My bad. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 1:47 PM Subject: Re: JAWS Licensing Jim, I recall reading that, too, now that I see it again. I'm afraid that if I wanted to get myself a laptop and violate their agreement, it would be a little tricky. I'm not sure what kind of scenario that would b. Two people sitting side by side using both computers at the same time? Selling or lending the laptop to a blind friend, still loaded with Jaws? running both computers while you transfer files between them using a corded connection instead of a thumb drive? Oh, well. I guess I'm not devious enough to plan a criminal vocation for myself as a mid-life career change. :-) to transfer a file from one computer to the other and be trasnfer siutation I'd have to actively recruit someone and was----- Original Message ----- From: "jim grimsby Jr." <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 11:56 AM Subject: RE: JAWS Licensing Not sure why we are talking about this at all. The help system clearly states the information below and you see this information when you install the program. COPYING THE PROGRAM The Licensee may not copy, transfer, decompile, disassemble, or reverse engineer the program or create a derivative work, or allow the program to be copied or transferred, in part or in whole, except as specifically indicated within this agreement. In the event the Licensee copies, transfers, decompiles, disassembles, or reverse engineers the program or creates a derivative work for another person in any form, except as is specifically authorized, then the Licensee's license to use the program shall be automatically terminated. The Licensee may install and use the program on more than one machine, but only one machine may be used at a time. -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Yardbird Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 10:04 AM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: JAWS Licensing Adrian, Well reasoned and well spoken. I wholeheartedly concur. this has been my intuitive presumption all along. But what a relief to see that reasoning laid out so nicely and credibly. Good going, counselor. --- ---- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Spratt" <A.Spratt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:32 AM Subject: Re: JAWS Licensing Frank, I don't want to encourage laxness about this license question. However, I'm confident FS finds it acceptable for a purchaser to use the same license to run a desktop and laptop. By analogy with fair use in copyright law, a manufacturer must allow you to use the license for your personal purposes. If that happens to encompass two computers, one for home and the other for travel, so be it. The assumption is that if you use the same license for several computers, not just two, the purpose must be to have more than one user. As has been pointed out in this thread, FS issues three activations at once, but the company usually issues new activations upon request. I interpret these two facts together as permitting a licensee to use up to three computers. We should all re-read the license agreement, but I can't take the time just now. Because you're conscientiously using two licenses, you have nothing to lose by contacting FS directly and getting clarification. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Ventura" <Frank.Ventura@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Chris, thanks for the reply. Now I am even more confused than ever. For my personal computers I have a separate license for the desktop and laptop. I was under the impression that the initial 3 intalls were to replace an existing install if something goes wrong. For example I just had to reformat the laptop and I will have to reinstall JFW., and I may have to do it once more in about a week as the project I am working on will probably require another reformat; but it will be on the same machine. Frank -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Christopher Gilland Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 10:24 AM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: re: JAWS Licensing I've taken the note to change the subject to be more rellevent. Technically you are correct, however, they do give you 3 activations, so, I guess, in theory, it could go on any 3 systems. I certainly wouldn't give one a them to a friend and pyrot it, that's not what I'm sayin by any means, but, if you're installing it on 3 a your own systems, then, yeah, I guess theoretically you should be getting another license, but, then again, not really. I guess it just depends on how finaky you are about that sort a thing. Me personally? I have my same key on both my desktop and on my laptop. Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Ventura" <Frank.Ventura@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 9:49 AM Subject: RE: Ten-Minute Demonstration Mode of JAWS? Hi all, can anyone shed some light on a JFW U.S.A. license question that has come up in speaking with a friend of mine. I was always under the impression that if you had one license then you could install it on only one computer. Is that correct information? I always thought that was the case but a buddy of mine insists it is not. This isn't merely a rethorical question as I just set up a laptop for a client of mine and I advised them purchase an additional license of JFW. Did I waste their money? If so should I reimburse them out of my own pocket? 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