Oh, my word. I thought that was a private message from Adrian to which I was responding. Oh, boy. So it goes. That'll teach me not to check the headers before I reply. to now? Recant? Beg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 8:28 PM Subject: Re: On Line Banking with JFW Well, I have had some similar travails with Washington Mutual, because of the bad coding of their automatic payments pages. As I've explained to them, if elements of the Amazon site, such as the address book page of the one-click settings area, which also uses input fields and a similar array of elements, were this unapproachable to a blind customer, Amazon would be out a pretty good chunk of income (nearly everyone on the blind lists, it seems, is a CD-buying junkie except, maybe, for those who don't care too much for the traditional "album" concept and only like to download music, whether free or not. Anyway, their main tech guy in the adaptive department called me pearlier this week, and I gave him a better understanding than he'd had of the problems. Running those automated Bobby tests don't really reveal to sighted Web designers how something works in practice. So on we go, kicking away at the barricades to access, on and on. Where, I ask you only semi-facetiously, is our own champion with Gideon's Trumpet? If you haven't forgotten that required reading for pre-law or first year law students. Which makes a person recall that congress is trying to pass some sort of legislation to chip away at habeas corpus. Maybe it's a kind of suicide offer. George loves to proclaim that line "They hate our freedoms!" whatever that means, so he and his guys are trying to reduce those freedoms voluntarily to placate the puritanical wahabbists. No more habeas corpus, no more privacy of body or soul, no more sexual freedom, no more Darwin. Go Dubya! Perverted. Very perverted. Dark thoughts on Thanksgiving Eve, I suppose. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Spratt" <A.Spratt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 10:46 AM Subject: Re: On Line Banking with JFW How JFW works with online payment systems depends on the bank. I have a good experience with mine, TDWaterhouse, but before that a very bad one with Chase, now JP Morgan Chase. Chase's people showed initial interest, but eventually told me I'd need to make payments over the phone. Because they no longer offered pay by phone, they designated a member of the staff to handle my payments. That person naturally didn't work 7/24 and often wasn't available even when scheduled, so, despite her best intentions, the arrangement proved both inconvenient and time-consuming. Chase clamed I was the only visually impaired person with this problem. Later I contacted HKSB but discovered their system isn't accedssible even before I signed up. They promised to follow up, but didn't. Bank of America, whose online payment system started this thread, has a good reputation in this area. Making payments online is so helpful, saving you from writing checks and even the cost of postage, that the accessibility of a bank's system is critical in deciding where to open an account. -- To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.3/173 - Release Date: 11/16/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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