RE: Maybe found solution to Alt/Ctr/J key behavior
- From: "Jim" <jimscave@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 05:11:58 +0800
Have you guys reported this bug to FS?
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From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Flor Lynch
Sent: Wednesday, 29 November 2006 9:41 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Maybe found solution to Alt/Ctr/J key behavior
To 'finish me off': I got version 8 today and installed it from the CD. I _had
to use narrator_ to get that shortcut working. Otherwise, any key I chose
either didn't take or lasted only a number of seconds, then was gone.
----- Original Message -----
From: Flor Lynch <mailto:florlync@xxxxxx>
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: Maybe found solution to Alt/Ctr/J key behavior
Different computer brands, different softwares interacting, and so on. I only
know from a lay person's point of view. That's my answer to your 'different
strokes' point. ?Cheers.
----- Original Message -----
From: Yardbird <mailto:yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 2:09 AM
Subject: Re: Maybe found solution to Alt/Ctr/J key behavior
Okay, well, I guess I just haven't experienced the same hassles, with Jaws or
with other applications. I'm sure I will, eventually. Maybe even once I
install Version 8. If something like that happens, at least I won't be
surprised. But, and you didn't directly address this, I still don't know in
what sense you mean different strokes for different computers. For instance, if
you had two PCs, each licensed to install Jaws 8, both running under Win XP, and
so forth, and you installed JFW 8 on both, then tried to set the conventional
Control Alt J hotkey in each, but it took in only one (and you could verify that
it wasn't still assigned to your earlier version, whether you'd kept it on your
hard drive or not), then that would speak to this idea of different computers
doing things differently.
Anyway, I don't care that much. Finally, I just care that you, and I and
everyone else here have a fair crack at getting our computers to work well for
us with Jaws, right? So I'm outta here on this subject,now.
fortrh
----- Original Message -----
From: Flor Lynch <mailto:florlync@xxxxxx>
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: Maybe found solution to Alt/Ctr/J key behavior
I haven't (yet) had the problem with JAWS (as I haven't installed JAWS8,
perhaps): but I have had the situation where certain shortcut keys would not
work with programs even though they were not assigned to any other program
shortcuts or to anything else on the computer, to my knowledge. the solution
was found to be to use other shortcut keys which did take. Others have reported
a situation worse than that with JAWS8, which however (as has been specified on
list) is capable of eventual resolution.
----- Original Message -----
From: Yardbird <mailto:yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: Maybe found solution to Alt/Ctr/J key behavior
Flor,
I know it feels amusing to think of it this way, but if it doesn't work as it
should, it's a problem or a defect, not the result of various computers being
naturally different from each other, for some reason. In my case, I haven't
ever had any trouble setting, saving and using a hotkey for anything at all on a
whole series of PCs running under Windows, from a 486 running Win 95 to a
Pentium 1 running under Win 98 to my present one, a Pentium 4 PC with Windows XP
Home/SP2 as its operating system. So when it doesn't work, it's a problem, and
needs to either be solved or let go, if a person doesn't feel like bothering
with it. But these things aren't peculiarities of PCs, as if they all have
their own personalities. Something works, or it doesn't work. Honest. the
problem may be mysterious, but it's just a problem, not something more vague
than that.
honest.
----- Original Message -----
From: Flor Lynch <mailto:florlync@xxxxxx>
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: Maybe found solution to Alt/Ctr/J key behavior
A problem sometimes (not just with JAWS, but other shortcuts) is that, yes, the
shortcut key works once, or maybe even twice - until you restart the computer.
Then it's gone; and when you go back to the shortcut tab there you find that the
hot key field is none. Each computer, like each user, is different -
unfortunately in the first case, fortunately in the second!
----- Original Message -----
From: Yardbird <mailto:yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: Maybe found solution to Alt/Ctr/J key behavior
Morey,
There's no connection between having Jaws start when you boot up your computer
and also wanting to have a convenient way to launch it at other times. You see,
for one reason or another, we often have to shut down Jaws while we're using our
computers, because of one problem or another. Also, in my experience, there
will be sighted friends who want to use the computer to check their email or
whatever when they're visiting, and the computer behaves more normally for them
if I just have them exit Jaws instead of simply turning down the volume. After
which, of course, I want to relaunch it easily with the hotkey.So there are two
reasons why it's handy, even necessary, to have an easy way to launch jaws when
you're computer is already running, despite the fact that it may have loaded up
automatically at first.
Hope that helps.
As far as your solution goes, that's interesting, but sure does need
explanation, because that's not supposed to change anything at all. But it
certainly was clever of you to discover it.
ncecda4ry,aywith ----- Original Message -----
From: Morey <mailto:blindwop@xxxxxxxxxx> Worthington
To: JFW <mailto:jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 11:16 AM
Subject: Maybe found solution to Alt/Ctr/J key behavior
Hello all,
Installed 8.0. Removed short keys to other Jaws apps.
Went to Options and checked start automatically.
Went to short key in properties, and yes it would not hold.
Just for the heck of it, went back to options and un-checked start
automatically. Went back to shortcut key tab and then tried the "J" key in
there, applied it. Pressed OK when window came back and checked if it , the
shortcut key , was still there and it was.
Shut down Jaws and then tried Alt/Ctr/J and it worked just fine.
My way of thinking...If Jaws was going to be started automatically, then why
would you need a shortcut key.
Seemed to work for now.
Give it a try and see what happens.
HTH
Morey Worthington
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