RE: Jaws 8 and DOM
- From: Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis <bhawkeslewis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 22:05:12 +0100
W3C defines DOM as "a platform- and language-neutral interface that will
allow programs and scripts to dynamically access and update the content,
structure and style of documents."
Basic introduction from Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Document_Object_Model
Documentation for the HTML DOM from W3C:
http://www.w3.org/DOM/
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Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
On Sun, 2007-04-01 at 22:44 -0400, Robert S. Batchelor wrote:
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Joseph Lee
> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 2:09 AM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Jaws 8 a disapointment
>
> Hi Devona,
> DOM stands for Document Object Model. (Ted or Rick Harmon might tell you
> more about it).
> Cheers,
> Joseph
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Devona Abel" <djasister@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Date sent: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 19:59:12 -0500
> >Subject: Re: Jaws 8 a disapointment
>
> >What is dom?
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
> > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 8:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: Jaws 8 a disapointment
>
>
> > The DOM some of you are complaining about really does appear to
> be just
> > JAWS's interface to its own understanding of the document,
> filtered
> > through the browser's DOM implementation and MSAA translation
> of that
> > DOM, rather than the real HTML DOM. The real HTML DOM
> potentially makes
> > navigation by paragraph (or heading, or link, or whatever)
> trivial.
>
> > Clearly, if navigation by paragraph is broken that's a fixable
> bug, not
> > a sign that using a DOM is a "bad idea". The P key is supposed
> to work:
>
> > http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/JAWSkeystrokes.asp
>
> > I suspect it would help if you guys were less laconic when
> sharing
> > experiences. Navigation by paragraph, we are told, works for
> Rick, but
> > not for Arnaud. But this information by itself is of little
> use without
> > knowing at the minimum:
>
> > 1. What version of Windows each are using.
>
> > 2. What web browser and version each are using.
>
> > 3. A URL for a webpage where navigation by paragraph does or
> does not
> > work. (Not everything that looks like a paragraph on a webpage
> actually
> > is a paragraph.)
>
> > Certainly, when reporting bugs to Freedom Scientific technical
> support,
> > the more detail you provide the better.
>
> > For those of you frustrated by this process, remember that
> Freedom
> > Scientific are not the only ones who can help you here. Web
> > accessibility depends on interactions between multiple
> technology
> > layers. Not all glitches will be Freedom Scientific's fault:
> many will
> > be the fault of particular webpage developers, Microsoft's
> accessibility
> > framework, or browser developers (Microsoft and Mozilla).
> Microsoft has
> > the microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general newsgroup for
> reporting
> > Internet Explorer problems. Mozilla go one better and offer a
> public bug
> > tracker which you search entries, report new bugs, lodge
> feature
> > requests, and follow up on progress; see:
>
> > http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/bugs
>
> > The intersecting layers involved in web accessibility pose a
> problem,
> > but also offer multiple avenues by which to approach a given
> problem. If
> > navigation by paragraph does not work with JAWS, by all means
> report
> > your problem to Freedom Scientific, especially if it should
> work
> > according to the JAWS documentation. But I'd strongly
> encourage you to
> > also try seeing if Firefox itself or a Firefox extension such
> as
> > Paragrasp, Fire Vox, or the Firefox Accessibility Toolbar will
> give you
> > the functionality you require:
>
> > https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2266/
>
> > http://www.firevox.clcworld.net/
>
> > http://firefox.cita.uiuc.edu/
>
> > If such extensions don't offer what you need (as is probably
> the case
> > with Fire Vox and the toolbar), you can also ask their
> developers if
> > they could enhance them with that functionality.
>
> > Finally, note that if your main screen reader does not offer
> the web
> > experience you wish, you could try installing NVDA or another
> free,
> > lightweight screen reader along side it. NVDA offers
> navigation by
> > paragraph with the P key.
>
> > --
> > Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
>
> > On Sat, 2007-03-24 at 20:48 -0400, Rick Harmon wrote:
> >> I've had a couple of different things fixed by submitting the
> problem
> >> to FS. So I disagree with you there. If no one turned anything
> to FS
> >> for fixes then Jaws would be much worse than you think it is
> now.
>
> >> Rick
>
>
> >> =======
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>
>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Agent86b
> >> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 7:16 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Jaws 8 a disapointment
>
>
> >> Even if you submit complaints to FS it has been my
> experience
> >> nothing changes.
> >> Max.
>
> >> on 01:50 25/03/2007, Rick Harmon said:
> >>> Hi,
>
> >>> Have you made any of your problems known to FS? Complaining
> >>> here won't make
> >>> JAWS work any better. Everyone that has issues with JAWS
> >>> needs to submit
> >>> their complaints to them. Otherwise your wasteing your
> >>> time.
>
> >>> Rick
>
>
> >>> =======
>
> >>> Visit my webpage and podcast feed at www.blind-geek-zone.net
>
>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "alicia" <astarner@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 11:40 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: Jaws 8 a disapointment
>
>
> >>> I agree. I have not used JAWS 8 in some time, because I
> >>> honestly feel it is
> >>> the worse release ever put out by Freedom Scientific. It has
> >>> many bugs;
> >>> therefore, I have resorted to using JAWS 7.1 until FS
> >>> repairs the many
> >>> things that are wrong with the 8 version.
>
> >>> Alicia
>
> >>> "The chief handicap of the blind is not blindness, but the
> >>> attitude of
> >>>>seeing people towards them."
> >>>>- Helen Keller, 1925
>
>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "marcatony" <marcatony@xxxxxxxxx
> >>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 9:53 AM
> >>> Subject: Jaws 8 a disapointment
>
>
> >>>> I am very disapointed in Jaws 8. There are so many
> >>> sites that I can not
> >>>> get it to read. Between telling me there are non-existant
> >>> attachments to
> >>>> telling me that buttons are inactive. I have two versions
> >>> of Jaws close
> >>>> at
> >>>> hand since Jaws 7 seems to be able to read more things.
>
> >>>> Marsha Anderson
>
>
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