Hello Yardbird, Wow, it sounds like we have almost a parallel situations.I used computers since the first IBM PC came out around 1981, without any problems with seeing the screen, but I have RP, and gradual loss of sight made me used a Large Screen Magnification hardware from V-Tek, the DP 11, during the 90's, then I tried Zoomtex, but started using JAWS back in 1999 when as you said, I had to fill the 19 inch monitor with only a couple of letters at a time.
JAWS has been a God Sent and I do not know what I would do without it.I want to thank you and this list for all the help they have given me lately, and hopefully in the future, as there always seems to be something that comes up!
But then, you know, Sighted folks have the same situation, problems with their machines! The big difference, when Sighted people have problems, they can get the good old standard tecky to help them out! We need people who understand JAWS and how it works with Microsoft XP or Vista, or whatever!
With Best Regards, Alan Miami, Florida----- Original Message ----- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 1:18 PMSubject: Re: Have enough Sight to use Vista? - : I would go with XP - OS question
Thanks very much. I'll keep all this in mind. I've been using personal computers since the early 80s and of course have seen many changes, not least of which has been the non-computer eevolution-related steady deterioration of my vision the past 15 years or so. Which is where we're coming from when we're talking about this. I have no central vision, in fact, so I'm blinder than you may be in the situation your describing, if you appreciate that loss of central cone photoreceptor cells means loss of the visual acuity that permits one to see detail. If I were to magnify myscreen enough to see anything I could even recognize as an individual thing,like a letter or an icon, it would have to fill the screen all by itself. That's when I moved to Jaws ten years ago. My bit of far peripheral visionis helpful for just getting around without bumping into things, but not forreading print out of the corner of my eye or seeing peoples' faces. So I'm doing well enough with Jaws and win XP for now, and I'll be curious to see what comes next in the OS department. Thanks again for explaining. I do hear that Microsoft is plahning to put out an operating system to supplant Vista in the near future, so I'm curious to so ohere wfufteeb----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter" <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 8:09 AM Subject: Re: Have enough Sight to use Vista? - : I would go with XP - OS questionFor me, I'd say that Vista is better because everything is so much easier tofind. If I want music, an email, favourites etc, I just do a search on the start menu and up it pops. It's much more intuative than XP and speeds up over time as you use it. My machine starts up very quickly now compared to when I had XP Media Center on it. Also, I find most hardware installs automatically when you plug it inwithout having to install the provided software. It doesn't just install the drives, but the software that was included on the cd as well in some cases.For example my logitech quick cam. On XP I don't think it installed at all wihtout the CD, but with Vista not only does it install the driver, but itdownloads all the logitech software as well to get full functionality out ofit. Vista is also much easier to sort out when things go wrong which has been very rare, and usually down to my own doing. Peter -------------------------------------------------- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:27 PM To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Have enough Sight to use Vista? - : I would go with XP - OS questionYou say that you find it more stable, and this I understand. But you also say that you find it "better." In light of the subject of this thread, which has to do with whether or not having some vision might make it easier to use Vista than to use XP, or vice-versa, what do you mean? In what specific way or ways do you find Vista better? thanks very much.----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Vandecar" <cougars-den@xxxxxxxxxxx>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 2:50 PM Subject: Re: Have enough Sight to use Vista? - : I would go with XP - OS question I am totally blind and just find for my use that Vista is better and much more stable then XP.----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 2:33 PM Subject: Have enough Sight to use Vista? - : I would go with XP - OS questionHello, I wonder if those who use Vista have enough sight to see the program's additional Graphic's and Icons and such. It makes a lot of difference if some one is using a large screen, or Large Screen magnification software, or needs to use exclusively speech to run their computers. Best Regards, Alan Miami, Florida----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter" <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 5:14 PM Subject: Re: I would go with XP - OS questionPersonally I love Vista and woudln't be without it. As for stability, I can't remember the last time my Vista system crashed and I'm always playing around with it doing things I probably shouldn't. I haven't seen the entire thread of this, but it seems to me that those not liking Vista are those who haven't given a it a chance or want to stick to what they know. For someone who hasn't even got lots of experience with XP or less, the move to Vista would be an easier one. Vista in many ways is easier to use than XP, and much quicker at allowing you to find what you need etc. Just my opinion but I wouldn't give up on it so soon. Peter -------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Vandecar" <cougars-den@xxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 9:45 PM To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: I would go with XP - OS questionI can't believe that people who have never tried Vista say that it isn'ta good operating system. I remember when XP first came out and people saying it's terrible compared to 98. Sure is a funny world and nothingchanges very much. lol----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike & Barbara" <mb69mach1@xxxxxxxxxxx>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 12:58 PM Subject: Re: I would go with XP - OS questionHi Alan, Caroline, Chris, Jennifer, & Jim; Thank you all for your replies. My sister has been working with computers for about 30 years and can't stand Vista. Having only been working with computers about 4 or 5 years myself I am not familiar with all the differentoperating systems. I am only not very familiar with XP Home. Well, Iguess I'll start looking for the full version of XP Pro. Thank you all again for the advice and have a very Merry Christmas. take care. Mike----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Dicey" <adicey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:35 PM Subject: I would go with XP - OS question Hello Mike, I concur with Jim 100 percent. In fact, like him, I have only had two (2) different Windows systems. Windows 98 First Edition and Windows XP. I did use DOS in the Computer Dark Ages and that was strange compared to today's computing!But I have heard muttered complaints about the stability of Vista from"Sighted People", and it seems Microsoft is not even pushing the product like they would if it was a good system. Remember Microsoft did put out a very bad product once, Windows Millennium, terrible stuff, so they do make mistakes! I would go with XP. I Never, Never heard a word of complaint about XP from either Sighted or Blind folks! With Best Regards, Alan Miami, Florida----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Talley" <nrg.jim@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 1:39 AM Subject: Re: OS questionHi Mike, I have only had 2 different operating systems, Windows 98 and WindowsXP. There is no comparison, XP is terific it is so much more stableI love it. About Vista it is called a"media" OS lots of graphics andeyecandy your sighted sister would likely find Vista more amusing. Butfor all a round performance and reliability Windows XP is the best! I hope this helps you. Hears wishing you some great Holidays and great computing year-round.-- Original Message ----- From: "Mike & Barbara" <mb69mach1@xxxxxxxxxxx>To: "jfw list" <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 5:42 PM Subject: OS questionHi Everybody; My sister is currently running Windows 2000 Professional for her operating system. Would she be better off switching to XP Pro? 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