Bruce:
Alicia
seeing people towards them." - Helen Keller, 1925
The ideal solution is for a blind person to know both the fumbling around method and the get-to-the-point-and-do-the-job method. Both methods have their uses at different times, and both should be taught so the user has an optimal chance of understanding the program. I like to check out a program, and when I am familiar with it I like to use the hot keys so I can go in, do what I have to do, and go out again.
Bruce
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On Sat, 24 Jun 2006, Yardbird wrote:
Fully agreed, Alicia. In fact, I wish that more blind computer users would--
be encouraged to take the time and actually learn menus and controls of the
myriad applications that Jaws makes accessible, rather than resorting to
hotkeys up front, without even learning anything about how a given interface
is designed for general use. The problem resulting is a loss of context and
understanding of many a program, a kind of tunnel view of computer usage
that isn't ultimately as enabling or educational as would be helpful. But
in any case, I'm fine just so I can find the controls and understand what
I'm to do with them.
this fodesinged. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alicia" <astarner@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 6:22 PM Subject: Re: Add aware scripts not working in 7.10
I agree! I think that if a program is made useable by writing scripts
whether you have to tab around to find a control or by a hotkey the luxury
is the ability to use the program. I myself do not mind tabbing around to
find a particular control because it gives you the ability to see what other
kinds of buttons there are. I often times do not use hot keys because if I
do not use them everyday I forget them so I do believe that if scripts make
a program that is unusable by JAWS users easier and possible to use then the
scripts are doing their job.
Alicia
"The chief handicap of the blind is not blindness, but the attitude ofseeing people towards them." - Helen Keller, 1925
----- Original Message ----- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 8:13 PM Subject: Re: Add aware scripts not working in 7.10
If I recall correctly, the main point of Dean's writing these scripts
wasn't
to enable Jaws users to use hotkeys, exactly, although hotkey operation
turned out to be the way he designed it too work. Had AdAware been
possible
to use with Jaws by simply tabbing round to the controls and clicking on
them, instead, hotkeys or no hotkeys, I believe that would have been
sufficient. But when AdAware underwent an upgrade and interface redesign,
it wasn't possible anymore to use it with Jaws, whether by tabbing around
the controls *or* by hotkeys,if I recall. So just to clarify, unless of
course I'm misremembering. I, for one, would have been equally satisfied
to
be able to just tab around and click on controls, if it had worked with
Jaws. I like the hotkey approach just fine, too. But I wouldn't freak
out
just because it turns out I havee to tab to a control and click on it, so
long as I know what to do. Fine with me, as I sexpect it might be with
others, as well.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Alicia" <astarner@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 5:03 PM Subject: Re: Add aware scripts not working in 7.10
I have had the same problem. I have also merged the settings and recompiled the scripts and still can not run a scan using 7.1.
Alicia
"The chief handicap of the blind is not blindness, but the attitude ofseeing people towards them." - Helen Keller, 1925
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose Combs" <rosecombs@xxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 6:54 PM Subject: RE: Add aware scripts not working in 7.10
I have not tried this in the final release, however, in all the betas it
worked. Will check it out.
Rose Combs rosecombs@xxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Wendy Alling Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 10:45 AM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Add aware scripts not working in 7.10
Hi everyone,
With jaws 7.10, I found that add-aware did not work when I went to run a
scan. I merged my previous version of jaws which was 6.0, and the merge
was
successful, but when I went to run add aware again, the scripts still did
not work. I checked and the 2.1 scripts were loaded. I recompiled them
thinking that might be the problem, but they still did not work properly.
Where I noticed a problem was when I went to perform a scan and after the
message press control n to begin scanning, I did this and it said next
button not found so something is not working right. Anyone have an
opinion
on how to resolve this?
Thanks, Wendy
At 12:31 PM 06/24/2006, you wrote:Agreed, but Eric's human like the rest
of
us.Podcast:bruce
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On Sat, 24 Jun 2006, Rose Combs wrote:
I saw that after I posted, it should have been included in the message
concerning the release in my humble opinion.
Rose Combs rosecombs@xxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bruce Toews Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 9:03 AM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: JAWS 7.1 release is now posted
As Debbie posted a few days ago, the update feature's not working for the final release is a deliberate action on FS's part. bruce
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On Sat, 24 Jun 2006, Rose Combs wrote:
The update feature did not work for me either but I went directly to the FS page and downloaded it without a problem.
Rose Combs rosecombs@xxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hal Pearson Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 4:42 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: JAWS 7.1 release is now posted
Debbie, odd thing is that when I go to check for updates, I'm told I
am running the latest Jaws version. I tried twenty minutes ago in
fact. My understanding is that you are supposed to be able to
download and install the final release when checking for updates. But
perhaps not so I'll just go and download it from the freedom site.
But again knowing me I'll try again, and the install will work--jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie Scales" <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 3:49 PM Subject: Fw: JAWS 7.1 release is now posted
All, Both the ILM release version and the Demo version of 7.1 are now posted on the Web site. I have also included the list of Fixes from the What's New page that went in between the final beta and final release. Regards, Eric Damery
Fixes in the Final Release Version
The release version of JAWS 7.10 was made available on Thursday, June
21, 2006. The following issues were fixed between the last public
beta update and the final release version of JAWS:
1. When you customize a list view, the selected item is now properly
announced when you use first letter navigation.
2. When using a language that reads from right to left, you can now
select text properly.
3. In previous versions, when you had detected SAPI 4 synthesizers
and then added a synthesizer using Installation Maintenance, JAWS
removed the detected SAPI 4 synthesizers from the Language menu. The
issue does not occur with version 7.10 and the new Synthesizer and
Braille Manager.
4. You can now successfully install Spybot 1.4 while JAWS is running.
5. When using MAGic and JAWS together, JAWS can now successfully
recognize check box states in ActiveSync.
6. When using MAGic and JAWS together, the JAWS setting for Document
Presentation Mode overrides MAGic's settings.
7. The JAWS TypeString function no longer inserts a grave character
when using a British English keyboard layout.
8. If you use the /Type SilentRemote parameter to install JAWS on a
remote server, JAWS no longer prompts you to install video intercept
drivers when it starts.
9. Drivers for the Alva Satellite braille display can now be
installed correctly from the Synthesizer and Braille Manager.
10. In Internet Explorer, JAWS now compensates correctly for unclosed
anchors in HTML code.
11. JAWS now reads the Title attribute for form fields on Web pages.
12. Performance and responsiveness in Forms Mode has been improved. 13. JAWS no longer stops speaking when you visit a certain Web site.
14. When you use the TAB key to move to links on certain Web pages, JAWS no longer repeats the link if you are using a braille display and Screen Track Virtual is enabled. 15. In Internet Explorer, JAWS no longer appends a heading line at the end of each check box in a list of check boxes while you are in Forms Mode. 16. Resolved an issue with read multi-line edit boxes in Forms Mode.
17. Resolved an issue where JAWS was not reading some content on
certain Web pages.
18. JAWS now reads lists that are nested inside tables correctly.
19. JAWS now correctly recognizes selection lists on certain Web
pages.
20. You can now access unlabeled extended selection list boxes in Web
forms.
21. In Firefox, JAWS now recognizes line breaks correctly.
22. In Firefox, JAWS no longer repeats access keys for links.
23. In Outlook, JAWS now reads the drop-down list correctly when you
add a new contact.
24. In Outlook, JAWS now announces list items in the Options > Tools
dialog box.
25. In Outlook, JAWS now correctly reads the Look In combo box when
you save a message.
26. In Word 2003, JAWS no longer fails when you open the Macro
Security dialog box and use the arrow keys to navigate the radio
buttons.
27. When checking your spelling in PowerPoint, JAWS no longer reads
the previous incorrect word and suggestion instead of the current
word and suggestion.
28. In PowerPoint and Word, JAWS now reads the File Name edit box
correctly after you move to it from a combo box.
29. In Microsoft Access, JAWS now provides complete information while
navigating tables.
30. Text that you type into PDF form fields now appears correctly on
your braille display.
31. In Adobe Reader, navigation in Forms Mode using the TAB key has
been improved.
32. In Adobe Acrobat/Reader, JAWS now announces date/time edit boxes
correctly.
33. In Adobe Reader, PDF documents now open correctly inside browser
windows.
34. In Adobe Reader, you can now use the arrow keys to select radio
buttons.
35. JAWS now reads text fields in the Adobe Acrobat/Reader user
interface correctly.
36. Resolved an issue with reading tables in Java applications.
37. In AOL 9.0 Security Edition, JAWS no longer reads the dates of
e-mail messages twice when you navigate the list of messages in your
inbox.
38. In Lotus Notes, JAWS now correctly announces the open/closed
status of folders.
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