[jawsscripts] Re: why is jaws soooo poor at reading installation dialogs?
- From: Doug Lee <doug.lee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 08:48:59 -0500
I sometimes replace the JAWSKey+B, ReadBoxInTabOrder, script with code
that just reads the top-level window's text raw. This leaves out
control types but often improves the order in which things are read
and avoids repetition of control names. Coding that script to read in
tab order without duplicating or missing things is a nontrivial task,
though it is one I have occasionally thought of tackling.. But
overall, I've never found it important enough to spend a huge amount
of time trying.
On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 11:52:30AM +1100, Geoff Chapman wrote:
cool, well I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this then.
last time I tried window eyes I gleaned it seemed heaps better at just
reading dialogs as they popped up, than good old silentscreen jaws tended to
be. it's such basic basic functionality too, and one of thee most important
ones I reckon, for newby users, which are surely the ones FS would wanna nab
to drag into the fold etc? newbys need to know what the screen is saying,
and, I just reeeeally think that's something FS should work on. Both that,
and that horrible insert+B, read box. command.
Does anyone else find that just attrociously poor also?
or does anyone have any backbround information on that script who may've
ever looked into it, to see whether it could be majorly improved by someone?
then offered up to fs on a platter? then the blinky world might benefit?
----- Original Message -----
From: "G-Dog" <lucifur@xxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 7:33 AM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: why is jaws soooo poor at reading installation
dialogs?
> Agreed!
> I think it has something to do with reading highlighted text.
> I'm thinking that text in many instal dialog boxes is not quote
> highlighted
> unquote.
> Therefore, jfw doesn't pick up on it.
> JFW instal dialog boxes itself reads everything just perfect!
> ON the other hand, Adobe flash player update installers is brutal! All I
> get is the letters q which, I guess means quit. And, the letter I, for
> install.
> That company needs to be newked!
> The JFW cursor always reads desktop items when arrowing down to read some
> porrly designed dialog boxes, program intergfaces etc, etc.
> Overall, I find jfw 12 to be filled with focus issues that they fixed in
> version 11 and broke again in 12.
> Sometimes text doesn't take on my google homepage whilst in forms mode. I
> have to tab to the search button then enter the text in the search fieled
> again.
> This became a problem in jfw 9 with the creation of auto formsmode on and
> the associateing sounds.
> JFW also has serious problems figuring out window layers.
> If I have notepad openned it seems to get in the way of other windows even
> though they are in focus.
> Same goes when I have an email message open in OE.
>
> But really folks, are you surprised?
>
> G-Dog
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 1:02 PM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] why is jaws soooo poor at reading installation
> dialogs?
>
>
> anyone care to comment, on whether they feel jaws is particularly poor, at
> auto reading many pop up dialogs, that often accompany installations? and
> in particular, seemingly almost constantly, the last step, where the box
> is
> reporting "ready to install," where the next button alters to the install
> button? Just has seemed to me for ages that jaws is particularly bad at
> this? and, also, a huge beef I have also, is just how incredibly poor Jaws
> seems to me to be, at handling the manual Box read functionality of
> jaws+B?
> my vibe is they haven't touched that script in donkeys years, and that it
> just surely could be made a whole lot smarter and cleaner than it is?
> anyone
> mess with it much? it just constantly double/tripple reads things, reads
> buttons first and the information last, and doesn't read some
> dialogs/window
> at all, claiming it's not in a dialog, ... etc?
>
> if it can't be made to automatically do well, then it just seems insult to
> injury that it does so poorly, to my mind/experience anywayz, at handling
> intuitive manual reads?
>
> thoughts?
>
>
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