All part of the fun of debugging your system, Andy. Now here's a tip. In the Action menu, there is an option for clearing all the Events from each of the three sections in turn. Personally, I would not bother saving them at this point, just clear them. Now, the very next thing you should do is to force the error you were getting, noting the time and date you did this. Then go back immediately to the Event Viewer, and see what has appeared at that time. I know it's a tricky, laborious process, but it can, and often does, pay dividends. George. -----Original Message----- From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andrew Shipp Sent: 12 December 2004 13:34 To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: start up problem with Jaws Hi George, My O my there is a lot of info in there George, do you think I can find what \I am looking for you have got to be joking. Regards Andrew Shipp Located Northampton Northants, Home Phone 01604 517007 Mobile 07773457805, Skype andyshipp50, or andyshipp54@xxxxxxxxxxx, I am also the Moderator for Blind-gardening, All messages are checked before sending by Norton anti Virus. ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 1:07 PM Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: start up problem with Jaws Hi Andrew, Control Panel - Administrative Tools - Event Viewer. You get a tree view on the left which expands to Application, Security & System On the right will be a list of errors - if any - for the above. Spybot seems to be one of the more JAWS friendly Spyware programs. A Google will find it. George. This Message has been scanned for viruses by McAfee Groupshield. ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subjectúq] ** or send a message, to ** jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq