George, but MS have code in windows that no one at the company knows what it does as it has not been documented and. That's not a good way to design an operating system. Nigel I bet NASA don't do that ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 9:15 PM Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: FW: [access-uk] Re: Jaws V 8.0 > Hi Martin, > > The problem these days is where to stop with Beta testing. > Even public betas never flush out all the bugs. > > Microsoft spend more on development than NASA, and neither > of those two always get it right first time as we all know. > > So what chance does Freedom Scientific have by comparison, > or any developer for that matter? > > George. > > -----Original Message----- > From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of martin > wilsher > Sent: 21 November 2006 18:52 > To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: FW: [access-uk] Re: Jaws V 8.0 > > The problem is, this version eight wasn't beta tested at > all, or not to my > knowledge.=09 > > -----Original Message----- > From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of Nigel > Sent: 21 November 2006 16:38 > To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: FW: [access-uk] Re: Jaws V 8.0 > > > Anyone would think he didn't want to be an unofficial Beta > tester? > > Nigel > You know when you've been betaed > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "martin wilsher" <m.wilsher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Cc: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 1:32 PM > Subject: [jaws-uk] FW: [access-uk] Re: Jaws V 8.0 > > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: martin wilsher [mailto:m.wilsher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D20 >> Sent: 21 November 2006 12:21 >> To: 'access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' >> Subject: RE: [access-uk] Re: Jaws V 8.0 >> >> >> Hi all. >> >> I have a feeling that on this list, critisim of jaws is > almost taboo. =20 >> =3D Well, I'm sorry, but freedom can make a hash of an > upgrade like=20 >> anyone else, =3D be >> they serving a small market or the mainstream. It seems > freedom have =3D >> for >> the most part hashed up v 8 of jaws. If we don't > complain, they won't =3D >> fix >> the problems. I for one can't get v8 to work at all, and > I've tried all >> sorts of things. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On=20 >> Behalf =3D Of Dj Paddy >> Sent: 21 November 2006 11:34 >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Jaws V 8.0 >> >> >> I'm exercising a consumers right. >> >> The right to comment when I thinka product's crap and I > think Jaws=20 >> is. >> >> What's wrong with that? >> >> Dj Paddy >> =3DD0=3DE0=3D06 >> ----- Original Message -----=3D20 >> From: "Graham Page" <gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 9:18 PM >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Jaws V 8.0 >> >> >> seems to work well enough here I must say. don't know what > you're =3D=20 >> bleeting about. no one is forcing you to upgrade if you > don't want to. >> >> Cheers >> >> graham >> ----- Original Message -----=3D20 >> From: "Dj Paddy" <mygroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 4:20 PM >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Jaws V 8.0 >> >> >> This is shocking. >> >> I've just been reading the latest disaster and can not > believe=20 >> somebody =3D is honestly going to pay for this. >> >> This thing isn't even supporting Vista for goodness sake! >> >> And what is all that SAPI Alia's stuff about in say all? >> >> OMG, that's a new feature? >> >> More and more nonsense! >> >> I'm raging because, I like many wasted my money on this > rubbish for =3D=20 >> years! >> >> I'm disgusted because, many still will! Also rehab > agency's and that=20 >> =3D whole area will thrust this product on unsuspecting > souls. >> >> Note: this is a consumers viewpoint and I think it's > utter pooh.=20 >> Barry =3D =3DD4=3DE0=3D06 >> ----- Original Message -----=3D20 >> From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 3:39 PM >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Jaws V 8.0 >> >> >> Andrew, for details of JAWS 8 go to: >> >> > http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/software_jaws80 > fea.asp#OS >> >> From Ray >> I can be contacted off-list at: >> mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On=20 >> Behalf =3D Of andrew shipp >> >> Hi All, What are the benefits of upgrading to Jaws V 8.0? > Regards >> >> Andrew Shipp >> >> Located Northampton Northamptonshire UK >> >> Home phone...+44]0,1604 517007 >> >> Mobile 07983598287 >> Skype name...andyshipp55 >> >> Ham callsign M 0 C E G >> Echolink node 220344 >> >> ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following > link:- >> ** > [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=3D3Dunsubscrib > e] >> ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: >> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> ** and in the Subject line type >> ** unsubscribe >> ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on > the >> ** immediately-following link:- >> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=3D3Dfaq] >> ** or send a message, to >> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq >> >> >> __________ NOD32 1873 (20061120) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.=20 >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following > link:- >> ** > [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=3D3Dunsubscrib > e] >> ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: >> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> ** and in the Subject line type >> ** unsubscribe >> ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on > the >> ** immediately-following link:- >> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=3D3Dfaq] >> ** or send a message, to >> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq >> >> >> __________ NOD32 1874 (20061120) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.=20 >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following > link:- >> ** > [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=3D3Dunsubscrib > e] >> ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: >> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> ** and in the Subject line type >> ** unsubscribe >> ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on > the >> ** immediately-following link:- >> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=3D3Dfaq] >> ** or send a message, to >> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq >> >> ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following > link:- >> ** > [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=3D3Dunsubscrib > e] >> ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: >> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> ** and in the Subject line type >> ** unsubscribe >> ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on > the >> ** immediately-following link:- >> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=3D3Dfaq] >> ** or send a message, to >> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq >> >> >> __________ NOD32 1874 (20061120) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.=20 >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following > link:- >> ** > [mailto:jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=3Dunsubscribe] >> ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: >> ** jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> ** and in the Subject line type >> ** unsubscribe >> ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on > the >> ** immediately-following link:- >> ** [mailto:jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=3Dfaq] >> ** or send a message, to >> ** jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.11/543 - 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