Hi Colin, jaws doesn't go to sleep at all so this is why I am of the opinion of the fault being with the Braille display. I would try the old navigators and see what results you get, also another test is when you have read a line of text, tap a letter on the qwerty key board and if jaws acts strait away then this will confirm my suspicions. Hope that this helps. Regards Christopher Huby E-MAIL ADDRESS: christopher.huby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx MSN E-MAIL ADDRESS: christopher.huby@xxxxxxxxxxxxx SKYPE USER NAME: christopherhuby1 TELEPHONE NUMBER: 07967603395 -----Original Message----- From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Colin Baxter Sent: 22 November 2006 17:14 To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: FW: [access-uk] Re: Jaws V 8.0 Hi Christopher, What makes you so confident that it's a faulty display? I would agree with you if it were a case of some of the keys not working all of the time. It looks like a communication problem such as you would get if your braille display wasn't properly supported. I think the system, so to speak, goes to sleep, so that the function of the first key press is solely to wake it up again. I could understand it if I were leaving the system idle for a while, but the time it takes to read a line of braille is often long enough. I also have a couple of old Navigators. Maybe I ought to get them out of storage and see whether they behave OK. Cheers Colin -----Original Message----- From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of christopher huby Sent: 22 November 2006 15:19 To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: FW: [access-uk] Re: Jaws V 8.0 Hi Colin, With regards to the first 2 problems mentioned unfortunately it is a problem with your Braille display not jaws. The only thing I can suggest is if your Braille display is still in warranty, give the people who you bought it from and tell them about the problems and get them to send you another one or have it repaired for you. With regards to the problem in your email client, 1, make sure you have jaws set to highlighted by holding down the jaws key and press the letter s until you here highlighted, this should sort that out for you. If this don't work, please let me have the name of the program that you use for your emails and I will try and help you further. Hope that this helps and keep trying and all will be ok in the end. Regards Christopher Huby E-MAIL ADDRESS: christopher.huby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx MSN E-MAIL ADDRESS: christopher.huby@xxxxxxxxxxxxx SKYPE USER NAME: christopherhuby1 TELEPHONE NUMBER: 07967603395 -----Original Message----- From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Colin Baxter Sent: 22 November 2006 09:34 To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: FW: [access-uk] Re: Jaws V 8.0 Hi Christopher and all, There are so many things that don't work as well as they used to do that it is difficult to know where to start. I'll select three which particularly annoy me. I'm running XP Home with a Handy Tech Braille Wave and 7.1. After any pause of more than a few seconds, Jaws seems to forget that the braille display is there. When you are editing, you nearly always need to press your routing keys twice, and occasionally you still have to resort to the PC cursor keys to get to the exact cell you want. You get a similar problem with the panning keys, which I use a lot when working in foreign languages. You read to the end of your display, issue the command to display the next section to the right and, as often as not, you find the display hasn't changed at all. Of course, if you get really mad and hit the panning key twice, you find that it works first time and moves your display twice. When I'm replying to some emails, the braille display seems to stick on the first line. You can see the text, but the cursor is firmly rooted in the first cell. The only way to pick up the focus is to hit alt-tap and then shifted alt-tab. I don't know why this works, but it never fails! When I'm making a selection from a list by using the first letter of the item I want, Jaws no longer reads the item you are moving to, so, in order to ascertain whether you have actually got the focus where you want it, you have to do a quick cursor up and down. As I said, there may well be solutions, but I'm always left with the feeling that, by the time I've found them, there will be another upgrade on the way. Kind regards Colin -----Original Message----- From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of christopher huby Sent: 21 November 2006 21:35 To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: FW: [access-uk] Re: Jaws V 8.0 Hi Colin, The problem you have described below is not a jaws problem, if the keys are not working then it is to do with the hardware not the software. If you would like to tell me what other problems you are having with jaws 7 then I will help you with know problem. I have windows xp home and use a laptop and have had know problems, if we talk about the problems then I am sure we can all help you. As I have said before I have downloaded the demo of jaws 8 and find that fantastic also, we all need to look deeper before blaming our wonderful access software as most of the time it is not the speech software, but third party software *smile*. Don't despair all will work out in the end *smile*. Regards Christopher Huby E-MAIL ADDRESS: christopher.huby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx MSN E-MAIL ADDRESS: christopher.huby@xxxxxxxxxxxxx SKYPE USER NAME: christopherhuby1 TELEPHONE NUMBER: 07967603395 -----Original Message----- From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Colin Baxter Sent: 21 November 2006 20:03 To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: FW: [access-uk] Re: Jaws V 8.0 Hi Martin and all, Personally, I'm on the point of defecting to Window-eyes. People using this program never seem to have any of the problems or endlessly recurring expenditure that we have to put up with, possibly because the users' list is closely monitored by the designers of the program. I'm told that one of the Keyboard options available to you is to have a Jaws keyboard layout, though my informant advised against this on the footing that the Window-eyes keystrokes are a lot more logical than the Jaws equivalents. I've been utterly disgusted with the performance of Jaws 7.1, the last update in my current SMA, so I'm not at all inclined to fork out good money for anything likely to be as useless. One fairly significant problem is that the keys on my braille display never produce any response until they've been pressed at least two or three times. I accept that, if I were prepared to spend a fortune and/or several days playing with the system, I might be able to make it a little more functional, but Playing with my PC is not my life. This endless series of half-cooked updates is a rip-off. If we were dealing with a product in more general circulation, I have no doubt whatsoever that Trading Standards and Watchdog would be involved by now. Colin Baxter -----Original Message----- From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of martin wilsher Sent: 21 November 2006 13:33 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jaws-uk] FW: [access-uk] Re: Jaws V 8.0 -----Original Message----- From: martin wilsher [mailto:m.wilsher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=20 Sent: 21 November 2006 12:21 To: 'access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: RE: [access-uk] Re: Jaws V 8.0 Hi all. I have a feeling that on this list, critisim of jaws is almost taboo. = Well, I'm sorry, but freedom can make a hash of an upgrade like anyone else, = be they serving a small market or the mainstream. It seems freedom have = for the most part hashed up v 8 of jaws. If we don't complain, they won't = fix the problems. I for one can't get v8 to work at all, and I've tried all sorts of things. -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf = Of Dj Paddy Sent: 21 November 2006 11:34 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Jaws V 8.0 I'm exercising a consumers right. The right to comment when I thinka product's crap and I think Jaws is. What's wrong with that? Dj Paddy =D0=E0=06 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Graham Page" <gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 9:18 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Jaws V 8.0 seems to work well enough here I must say. don't know what you're = bleeting about. no one is forcing you to upgrade if you don't want to. Cheers graham ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Dj Paddy" <mygroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 4:20 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Jaws V 8.0 This is shocking. I've just been reading the latest disaster and can not believe somebody = is honestly going to pay for this. This thing isn't even supporting Vista for goodness sake! And what is all that SAPI Alia's stuff about in say all? OMG, that's a new feature? More and more nonsense! I'm raging because, I like many wasted my money on this rubbish for = years! I'm disgusted because, many still will! Also rehab agency's and that = whole area will thrust this product on unsuspecting souls. Note: this is a consumers viewpoint and I think it's utter pooh. Barry = =D4=E0=06 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 3:39 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Jaws V 8.0 Andrew, for details of JAWS 8 go to: http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/software_jaws80fea.asp#OS From Ray I can be contacted off-list at: mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf = Of andrew shipp Hi All, What are the benefits of upgrading to Jaws V 8.0? 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