I've not received anything from the list since an incident in which the ntl server 'forgot' my identity. It recognises me now but I presume that e-mails from the list bounced during the period when I was forgotten. Maybe I was then removed from the list or whatever. No need for this to start a thread. I will ask for help if I don't get this mail from the list shortly. Ralph -- Ralph & Valmai Stevens In leafy Epping --- To alter your preferences or leave the group, visit //www.freelists.org/list/iyonix-support Other info via //www.freelists.org/webpage/iyonix-support