As far as I know, that is in my setup, all I did was to create a protocol definition to define morpheus on tcp port 1214 as I am using secure nat clients. Next I setup a protocol rule to allow tcp port 1214 out from my lan client set. That is the extent of my knowledge unfortunately. I am not familiar with your specific settings for your setup. Have you checked the isa logs or sniffed to gain info about what is actually happening or being blocked. Im sorry im not much help to you in this situation! When in doubt, ask Jim or Tom hahahaha sorry guys! :) Greg Mulholland Network Technician MGM Business Machines (03)9500-0644 www.mgmbm.com.au