well, Reinstall did nothing, even put 2004 beta on it just to see and it did the same thing. The error that I was getting on the isa machine was cant find the domain controller. So I looked at dns after realizing that it only points to the ISP dns server. I added the Domain controllers dns in their as well but put it last in the list. I got nothing and the same error message. I then put the dc's dns First in the list and it began working. This fix doesnt seem right to me. I went into isa and put the domain in the LDT as well. Its working but its going to goto the dc first for dns resolution which is going to slow things down. This seems like a quick fix and not the whole solution. How should your dns be setup on the isa machine after putting dns on your domain? Thanks