Re: Think outside the GUI challenge #1
- From: "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 00:36:06 -0600
Hey, that's circa '97. High end for that time in history :)
Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 12:29 AM
> To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> Subject: [isalist] Re: Think outside the GUI challenge #1
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> What, you don't like their Feng Shui graphics? I guess you
> won't like this
> link to their web design services either then:
>
> http://www.dallas.net/~shinder/TACTEAM/webdesign.htm
>
> (Sorry, had to!)
>
> t :-p
>
>
> -----
> "I may disapprove of what you say,
> but I will defend to the death your
> right to say it."
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John T (Lists)" <johnlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:16 PM
> Subject: [isalist] Re: Think outside the GUI challenge #1
>
>
> http://www.ISAserver.org
>
> I still say you need to change the colors.
>
> John T
> eServices For You
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 7:34 PM
> > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > Subject: [isalist] Re: Think outside the GUI challenge #1
> >
> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> >
> > Here's some entertaining stories for you when you get bored:
> >
> > http://frontpage.dallas.net/~shinder/coplite/billyjoebob1.htm
> >
> > Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
> > Site: www.isaserver.org
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> > MVP -- ISA Firewalls
> > **Who is John Galt?**
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 9:14 PM
> > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Think outside the GUI challenge #1
> > >
> > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > >
> > > You've got a daughter? Any pictures? :-p
> > > t
> > >
> > > -----
> > > "I may disapprove of what you say,
> > > but I will defend to the death your
> > > right to say it."
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 6:25 PM
> > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Think outside the GUI challenge #1
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > >
> > > Ha! You just missed her. We sent her back today. She told us
> > > she's giving up
> > > the teacher's life to start working again and is relocating
> > > to some island
> > > off San Diego. Will be a nice place to visit.
> > >
> > > Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
> > > Site: www.isaserver.org
> > > Blog: http://spaces.msn.com/members/drisa/
> > > Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
> > > MVP -- ISA Firewalls
> > > **Who is John Galt?**
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jim Harrison [mailto:Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 8:19 PM
> > > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Think outside the GUI challenge #1
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > >
> > > > Now you bees playing in my old neighborhood (Tom, get your
> > > > daughter in on this). Let's not confuse "Hayes" with "modem".
> > > >
> > > > A "modem" (Modulator / Demodulator) is nothing more than a
> > > > signal translation device, regardless of its intended
> > > > application (DSL, dial-up access, AM radio, etc.)
> > > > - In the MODulation function, it uses a baseband signal (CAT5
> > > > in this case) to modify one or more aspects (phase,
> > > > frequency, amplitude) of a carrier signal in a
> predefined manner.
> > > > - In the DEModulator function, it performs a reverse process,
> > > > extracting the baseband signal from the modified carrier signal.
> > > >
> > > > Here's a reasonably decent discussion on how DSL signals are
> > > > propagated:
> > > > http://computer.howstuffworks.com/dsl4.htm
> > > >
> > > > It's not "audible" audio, but it is audio, nonetheless...
> > > >
> > > > --------------------------------------------
> > > > Jim Harrison
> > > > MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG
> > > > http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/
> > > > http://isatools.org
> > > > Read the help / books / articles!
> > > > --------------------------------------------
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 5:47 PM
> > > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Think outside the GUI challenge #1
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > >
> > > > It depends on your definition of "audio." If you mean that
> > > > the signaling is
> > > > based on square waves of a fixed high and low amplitude at a
> > > > particular
> > > > frequency being interpreted as a digital signal, then OK.
> > > > But if you are
> > > > defining DSL's"audio" nature as the modulation of
> > > > electromagnetic signals
> > > > into true "sound" (which is what a modem does) by creating
> > > signals of
> > > > amplitude, frequency and phase represented in the form of
> > > the typical
> > > > trigonometric sine and cosine wave (analog), then I must
> > > respectfully
> > > > disagree.
> > > >
> > > > t
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----
> > > > "I may disapprove of what you say,
> > > > but I will defend to the death your
> > > > right to say it."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jim Harrison" <Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 4:55 PM
> > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Think outside the GUI challenge #1
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > >
> > > > Ok, smarty-pants.
> > > > The CAT5 electrical signals that represent the Ethernet
> > > > traffic are used to
> > > > modulate the audio between the modem & the DSLAM.
> > > >
> > > > DSL is by nature, audio.
> > > >
> > > > --------------------------------------------
> > > > Jim Harrison
> > > > MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG
> > > > http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/
> > > > http://isatools.org
> > > > Read the help / books / articles!
> > > > --------------------------------------------
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 4:19 PM
> > > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Think outside the GUI challenge #1
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > >
> > > > I'm going to pretend like I never read that. Ethernet
> > > > signals are used to
> > > > modulate audio signals? I'll have a puff, please.
> > > >
> > > > t
> > > >
> > > > -----
> > > > "I may disapprove of what you say,
> > > > but I will defend to the death your
> > > > right to say it."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jim Harrison" <Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 3:41 PM
> > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Think outside the GUI challenge #1
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > >
> > > > Actually, the ones that bridge Ethernet to telco are modems.
> > > > They use the Ethernet signals to modulate the audio signals
> > > > carried to the
> > > > DSLAM.
> > > >
> > > > --------------------------------------------
> > > > Jim Harrison
> > > > MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG
> > > > http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/
> > > > http://isatools.org
> > > > Read the help / books / articles!
> > > > --------------------------------------------
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 1:13 PM
> > > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Think outside the GUI challenge #1
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > >
> > > > Just like the marketroids call them "modems." There ain't a
> > > > BIT o' analog
> > > > modulation a'goin on...
> > > >
> > > > -----
> > > > "I may disapprove of what you say,
> > > > but I will defend to the death your
> > > > right to say it."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jim Harrison" <Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:48 PM
> > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Think outside the GUI challenge #1
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > >
> > > > ..but of course you have, oh Diva of SBS fame.
> > > >
> > > > The marketroids call them "routers".
> > > > Sometimes they're part of the modem; sometimes not.
> > > > Sometimes they're configured for NAT, sometimes not.
> > > > When it's not NAT-ing, it's acting like a hub (bridge).
> > > >
> > > > In this case, the only interesting part is that the device is
> > > > configured as
> > > > a bridge.
> > > >
> > > > --------------------------------------------
> > > > Jim Harrison
> > > > MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG
> > > > http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/
> > > > http://isatools.org
> > > > Read the help / books / articles!
> > > > --------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Amy Babinchak [mailto:amy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:37 PM
> > > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Think outside the GUI challenge #1
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > >
> > > > What's a DSL bridge? I've never run into one of those in
> > > > small business
> > > > land.
> > > >
> > > > Amy
> > > >
> > > > Harbor Computer Services
> > > > Small Business Computer Specialists
> > > >
> > > > Client Blog: http://smalltechnotes.blogspot.com/
> > > > Tech Blog: http://isainsbs.blogspot.com/
> > > > Website: http://www.harborcomputerservices.net/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jim Harrison [mailto:Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 3:10 PM
> > > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Think outside the GUI challenge #1
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > >
> > > > Oooo..k.
> > > >
> > > > Jeff gets step #1.
> > > > For those of us not "netsh-aware", the full command would be
> > > > (assuming you
> > > > named the external interface "north"):
> > > > - netsh int ip add addr north 10.0.0.1 255.255.255.0
> > > >
> > > > Alexandre gets "most sickliest response". :-p
> > > >
> > > > To continue the challenge, answer the following questions:
> > > > 1. why doesn't it work yet?
> > > > 2. what non-GUI step must be taken to make it work?
> > > >
> > > > ..remember; ISA policies are not interesting yet.
> > > >
> > > > --------------------------------------------
> > > > Jim Harrison
> > > > MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG
> > > > http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/
> > > > http://isatools.org
> > > > Read the help / books / articles!
> > > > --------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Alexandre Gauthier [mailto:gauthiera@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:01 PM
> > > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Think outside the GUI challenge #1
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > >
> > > > Your answer makes me moist in my special places.
> > > >
> > > > -----Message d'origine-----
> > > > De : Bunting, Jeff [mailto:BUNTING@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Envoyé : 28 décembre 2005 14:58
> > > > À : [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > > Objet : [isalist] Re: Think outside the GUI challenge #1
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > >
> > > > how about with
> > > > netsh interface ip add address
> > > >
> > > > Jeff
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jim Harrison [mailto:Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 2:29 PM
> > > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Think outside the GUI challenge #1
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > >
> > > > Remember; this is the "out of the GUI" challenge.
> > > > How would you accomplish item 1 from the command line?
> > > >
> > > > Also, it still won't work (incomplete).
> > > > What other non-ISA, non-GUI steps must be taken?
> > > >
> > > > #2 answered correctly.
> > > >
> > > > --------------------------------------------
> > > > Jim Harrison
> > > > MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG
> > > > http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/
> > > > http://isatools.org
> > > > Read the help / books / articles!
> > > > --------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Roy Tsao [mailto:roy_tsao@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 11:07 AM
> > > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Think outside the GUI challenge #1
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 1) Bind a additional static IP 10.0.0.X/24 to ISA
> External Interface
> > > > 2) In case of dynamic IP, static IP can't assign as per 1)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Merry Xmas & Happy New Year!
> > > > >
> > > > > In the spirit of giving, here's a "think outside the GUI"
> > > challenge
> > > > for
> > > > > you.
> > > > >
> > > > > Scenario:
> > > > > - ISA is connected directly to the Internet via a
> "manageable" DSL
> > > > > bridge
> > > > > - ISA uses 123.123.123.123/24 static external IP; DG =
> > > 123.123.123.1
> > > > > - Internal LAN uses 10.9.8.x/24
> > > > > - DSL bridge has unchangeable 10.0.0.2/24 internal IP
> > > > > - DSL bridge offers web-based management on that internal IP
> > > > >
> > > > > Internet
> > > > > |
> > > > > DSL Bridge
> > > > > |- 10.0.0.2/24
> > > > > |- 123.123.123.123/24
> > > > > ISA
> > > > > |- 10.9.8.x/24
> > > > > LAN
> > > > >
> > > > > Note:
> > > > > - The DSL bridge internal IP is irrelevant to normal
> > > > Internet access.
> > > > > Because it's operating in "bridge" (as opposed to
> NAT) mode, it's
> > > > > effectively transparent to the ISA for Internet traffic.
> > > > >
> > > > > Challenges:
> > > > > 1. Allow either ISA-local or ISA-internal to access the DSL
> > > > bridge web
> > > > > interface 2. Explain why the correct solution is impossible to
> > > > > implement if the ISP provides a dynamic IP.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hint:
> > > > > - The core of the solution has nothing whatsoever to
> do with ISA
> > > > itself.
> > > > >
> > > > > --------------------------------------------
> > > > > Jim Harrison
> > > > > MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG
> > > > > http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/
> > > > > http://isatools.org
> > > > > Read the help / books / articles!
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