You mean that's not your thumb on the lens? Jim Harrison MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison http://isatools.org Read the help, books and articles! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thor" <thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 08:04 Subject: [isalist] RE: ISA Server is not a Firewall !!! http://www.kbalertz.com/Feedback_832659.aspx http://www.ISAserver.org The little camera on my PDA *smells* like fish, but I'm not gonna tell you why. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Harrison" <jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 7:54 AM Subject: [isalist] RE: ISA Server is not a Firewall !!! http://www.kbalertz.com/Feedback_832659.aspx > http://www.ISAserver.org > > A good firewall must include good router functionality in the same way a fish must include a PDA. > This article and issue arises because folks choose to use a product outside of its design goals. > > You can scream in email all day long; it doesn't make you sound any more believable. > > Disabling an alert does not stop the blocking action, just the alerts that get generated from it. > Learn to read what's written; not what you choose to make of it. > > Jim Harrison > MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG > http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver > http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison > http://isatools.org > > Read the help, books and articles! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Idan Plotnik" <idan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 04:45 > Subject: [isalist] RE: ISA Server is not a Firewall !!! http://www.kbalertz.com/Feedback_832659.aspx > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > Hi Thomas, > > Yesterday I came back from TechEd in Israel, I believe in the way > Microsoft works and I am working a lot with Microsoft products, in > additional I am doing some works for Microsoft, but this issue is not > relevant to my work, I mean that this kind of Bugs must be discover > before the product is going in to the market and not after 2 or 3 > years!!! Don't you agree with me? Tell me something else, do you think > it reasonable to disable the IP Spoof Detection option on a > FIREWALL???!!!!???!!!! To enable another function to work properly???? > > And by the way!!! A good Firewall must include a good router > functions!!! It's not a separate function, When I read your line "but > since you've confused firewalls with routers" I laugh because it's not a > good way of thinking!!! There are a lot of people that thinks that > Firewall just blocks ports or protocols and it's not true > > Thanks and have a good day. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 1:00 PM > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > Subject: [isalist] RE: ISA Server is not a Firewall !!! > http://www.kbalertz.com/Feedback_832659.aspx > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > Hi Idan, > > It's a good thing no other firewalls have any issues :-\ > > This is the first time I've done this on this list, but since you've > confused firewalls with routers, I have to say PLONK. > > HTH, > Tom > > Thomas W Shinder > www.isaserver.org/shinder > ISA 2004 Beta - Get it now! > http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/beta/default.asp > ISA Server and Beyond: http://tinyurl.com/1jq1 Configuring ISA Server: > http://tinyurl.com/1llp > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Idan Plotnik [mailto:idan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 5:57 AM > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > Subject: [isalist] ISA Server is not a Firewall !!! > http://www.kbalertz.com/Feedback_832659.aspx > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > Hi all, > I don't know if I need to laugh or to cry about this!!! > This issue closed my opinion about ISA 2000, and my opinion about ISA > 2000 is that its not a firewall !!! > Someone has sometnig to say about this ? 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