RE: Continued issues with particular site
- From: "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:42:57 -0600
I said to UNBIND the filter from the protocol, NOT disable the Web proxy
filter. You will want the Web proxy filter to work for the Web proxy
client connections.
Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
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MVP -- ISA Firewalls
**Who is John Galt?**
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 6:25 PM
> To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> Subject: [isalist] RE: Continued issues with particular site
>
> http://www.ISAserver.org
>
> YOU DID!! THE KB DID!!
>
> >When you unbind the Web proxy filter from the HTTP protocol,
> it has the
> >untoward effect that you observed -- the HTTP security configuration
> >interface disappears. HOWEVER, that does NOT mean that its
> not working.
> >All the settings you have created so far are still in effect for Web
> >proxy clients.
>
> That's the only thing bound to the damn protocol! Why are
> you doing this to
> me? What did I ever do to you (that you found out about)?????
>
> FFS!
>
> t
>
>
>
> -----
> "I'll see your Llama and up you a Badger."
> John T
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:24 PM
> Subject: [isalist] RE: Continued issues with particular site
>
>
> http://www.ISAserver.org
>
> DUDE,
>
> Who said to disable the Web proxy filter?????
>
> Tom
>
> Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
> Site: www.isaserver.org
> Blog: http://spaces.msn.com/members/drisa/
> Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
> MVP -- ISA Firewalls
> **Who is John Galt?**
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:17 PM
> > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > Subject: [isalist] RE: Continued issues with particular site
> >
> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> >
> > OK- some of you guys may be tired of this, but this is
> > important stuff and
> > has ISA-Server wide configuration consequences.
> >
> > According to http://support.microsoft.com/kb/838368/en-us
> > disabling the Web
> > Proxy Filter *does indeed* disable the HTTP filter:
> >
> > <snip>
> > Click the Parameters tab, click to clear the Web Proxy Filter
> > check box
> > under Application Filters, and then click OK.
> >
> > Important If you disable the Web Proxy Filter, ISA Server
> > 2004 no longer
> > performs HTTP content inspection.
> > </snip>
> >
> > Not knowing who to believe, I tested it myself. I configured
> > the HTTP
> > filter on my outbound web rule to only allow GET requests. I
> > tested a POST,
> > and it failed appropriately. I then unbound the Web Proxy
> > Filter from HTTP
> > (and applied). Without refreshing the Firewall client, I
> > immediately tried
> > again. The POST still failed, leading one to think that the
> > HTTP filter was
> > still being applied. However, upon refreshing the Firewall
> > client, the
> > request went right through, even in the presence of the
> > rule's HTTP Filter
> > configured to only allow GET.
> >
> > Unbinding the Web Proxy Filter from HTTP *disables* the
> HTTP Filter /
> > content filtering. That blows.
> >
> > This whole business brings into question the Direct Access
> > functionality for
> > external sites altogether. While I see the value for
> internal sites,
> > reading KB's on how to set up Direct Access for FWC's states
> > nowhere that
> > for it to work you have to unbind the Web Proxy Filter from
> > HTTP. Yet it
> > is clear in packet traces that leaving it bound to HTTP makes
> > ISA proxy the
> > connection anyway.
> >
> > Further, setting up a custom HTTP rule works for establishing the
> > connection, but once ISA determines that the content is HTTP,
> > it still
> > applies the filter to it. So you can't leave the Web Proxy
> > Filter bound to
> > HTTP and make a custom rule above your normal rule for a
> > particular site and
> > have it work. It even shows in the log that "HTTP (Custom)" is the
> > initialized rule, but "http" (note the lower case) is used
> > for the "Outbound
> > HTTP" rule.
> >
> > What are the other "work arounds" mentioned? Jim, you've
> > been strangely
> > silent on this one-- anything to offer here? Typically when
> > you don't get
> > involved it's 'cause you've got the super-secret info.
> >
> > t
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----
> > "I'll see your Llama and up you a Badger."
> > John T
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 5:40 PM
> > Subject: [isalist] RE: Continued issues with particular site
> >
> >
> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> >
> > OK you,
> >
> > Anybody else, and I'd tell 'em to RTFM, but one day I may
> come to you
> > and ask a favor.
> >
> > When you unbind the Web proxy filter from the HTTP protocol,
> > it has the
> > untoward effect that you observed -- the HTTP security configuration
> > interface disappears. HOWEVER, that does NOT mean that its
> > not working.
> > All the settings you have created so far are still in effect for Web
> > proxy clients.
> >
> > However, machines that aren't explicitly configured as Web proxy
> > clients, will not be exposed to the Web proxy filter or the
> Web proxy
> > filter extension that is the HTTP security filter. When the
> Web proxy
> > filter is enabled, it automaticaly forwards the SecureNAT
> and Firewall
> > client connections to the Web proxy filter, so that even though they
> > aren't explicitly configured as Web proxy clients, they can still
> > benefit from the security and performance enhancments you
> get from the
> > Web proxy filter and its extensions.
> >
> > If you want to make changes to the HTTP security filter, go
> > to the HTTP
> > protocol and rebind the filter. You don't need to apply the
> changes to
> > the firewall policy. Then right click any rule that
> includes the HTTP
> > protocol and you'll see the Configure HTTP option again.
> Then make the
> > changes you want to the filter settings, then go back and
> > unbind the Web
> > proxy filter from the HTTP protocol. Apply the changes to
> the firewall
> > policy and you're good.
> >
> > There's another way to do this, but this is my way. :) There's a KB
> > article on an alternate approach if you want to take the highway.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
> > Site: www.isaserver.org
> > Blog: http://spaces.msn.com/members/drisa/
> > Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
> > MVP -- ISA Firewalls
> > **Who is John Galt?**
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 5:19 PM
> > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Continued issues with particular site
> > >
> > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > >
> > > Unbinding the Web Proxy Filter from HTTP worked. However, I
> > > can no longer
> > > "Configure HTTP" anywhere, on any rule. I tried what Steve
> > > suggested, which
> > > is to create an allow rule for the site, but you can't unbind
> > > Web Proxy
> > > Filter from an individual rule - ( thanks for nuttin,
> > > Moffat!!! ;) all you
> > > can do is "Configure HTTP." Hell, I even tried a custom HTTP
> > > Protocol
> > > Definition (with no filtering at all) and it still doesn't work.
> > >
> > > While I could still access the web via clients specifically
> > > set to use a
> > > proxy, why would my HTTP filter configuration options go away
> > > because I
> > > unbound the Web Proxy Filter?
> > >
> > > Is there no other way to do this????
> > >
> > > t
> > >
> > > -----
> > > "I'll see your Llama and up you a Badger."
> > > John T
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 2:07 PM
> > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Continued issues with particular site
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > >
> > > The FWC will stuff use the Web proxy filter if the Web
> > proxy filter is
> > > still bound to the HTTP protocol. There are a number of
> > > workarounds, but
> > > the one I use because it's the easiest :) is to just
> unbind the Web
> > > proxy filter from the HTTP protocol and then configure
> the sites for
> > > Direct Access.
> > >
> > > This enables me to continue to benefit from the Web proxy
> > > filter and its
> > > HTTP security filter for Web proxy client connections
> > > (machines that are
> > > explicitly configured as Web proxy clients) and bypass
> the Web proxy
> > > filter for all SecureNAT (SecureNET) and FWC connections.
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
> > > Site: www.isaserver.org
> > > Blog: http://spaces.msn.com/members/drisa/
> > > Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
> > > MVP -- ISA Firewalls
> > > **Who is John Galt?**
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 3:59 PM
> > > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Continued issues with particular site
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > >
> > > > That what I was saying to myself... the "Via" tells all. But
> > > > check it--
> > > > I've got both the IP and the *.domain.com in the direct
> > > > access tab for the
> > > > source (listening) network config, I've got the firewall
> > > > client loaded and
> > > > refreshed, I've unchecked "use proxy" on the firewall client
> > > > config for the
> > > > network config, I've made sure the client is not set to use a
> > > > proxy in IE.
> > > >
> > > > Yet, the capture stills says "Via."
> > > >
> > > > WTF now?
> > > >
> > > > t
> > > >
> > > > -----
> > > > "I'll see your Llama and up you a Badger."
> > > > John T
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 1:44 PM
> > > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Continued issues with particular site
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > >
> > > > That's NOT a DIRECT ACCESS connection!
> > > >
> > > > Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
> > > > Site: www.isaserver.org
> > > > Blog: http://spaces.msn.com/members/drisa/
> > > > Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
> > > > MVP -- ISA Firewalls
> > > > **Who is John Galt?**
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 3:41 PM
> > > > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Continued issues with particular site
> > > > >
> > > > > <p align=\"left\"><b><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">GFI
> > > > > MailSecurity's HTML threat engine found HTML scripts in this
> > > > > email and has disabled
> > > them.</font></b></p>http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > > >
> > > > > So, I've basically honed it down to this. Here is what we
> > > > get on the
> > > > > external interface after the client issues the POST for the
> > > > > tracking number:
> > > > >
> > > > > HTTP/1.1.100.Continue..Server:.Microsoft-IIS/5.0..Date:.Tue,.1
> > > > > 7.Jan.2006.21:03:46.GMT....
> > > > > -then-
> > > > > HTTP/1.1.200.OK..Server:.Microsoft-IIS/5.0..Date:.Tue,.17.Jan.
> > > > 2006.21:03:46.GMT..Connection:.close..Content->
> > > > Type:.text/html..............<HTML>......<HEAD>..........<META
> > > > > .http-equiv="Expires".content="0">..........<META.http-equiv="
> > > > > Pragma".content="no-cache">..........<META.http-equiv="Cache-C
> > > > > ontrol".content="no-cache">.........<LINK.type="text/css".href
> > > > > ="include/master.css"
> > > > >
> .rel="stylesheet">..........<SCRIPT.type="text/javascript".src="
> > > > >
> include/form_validation.js"></XCRIPT>..........<SCRIPT.type="tex
> > > > >
> t/javascript".src="include/multi_onload.js"></XCRIPT>..........<
> > > > >
> TITLE>IPT,.LLC.</TITLE>......</HEAD>......<BODY.leftmargin="0".m
> > > > >
> arginheight="0".marginwidth="0".topmargin="0">..............<TAB
> > > > > LE.width="100%".border="0".cellspacing="0".cellpadding="0">...
> > > > > ...........<TR>
> > > > >
> > > > > -- with the rest of the page following.
> > > > >
> > > > > But on the internal interface, this is what goes to
> the client:
> > > > >
> > > > > HTTP/1.1.100.Continue..Via:.1.1.ISA-VPN..Date:.Tue,.17.Jan.200
> > > > > 6.21:25:31.GMT..Server:.Microsoft-IIS/5.0...
> > > > > .
> > > > > HTTP/1.1.200.OK..Via:.1.1.ISA-VPN..Connection:.close..Proxy-Co
> > > > nnection:.close..Date:.Tue,.17.Jan.2006.21:25:31.GMT..Content-
> > > > Type:.text
> > > > /html..Server:.Microsoft-> IIS/5.0....
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > And that's it. It dies.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > WTF? Anyone? Beuller? Anyone?
> > > > >
> > > > > t
> > > > >
> > > > > -----
> > > > > "I'll see your Llama and up you a Badger."
> > > > > John T
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Thor (Hammer of God)" <thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 12:09 PM
> > > > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Continued issues with particular site
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's my next step. I've compared captures from
> > > > > direct/ISA (which was a
> > > > > > waste of time) but now I'll have to see what I get in front
> > > > > and behind
> > > > > > ISA. Working on it now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > t
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----
> > > > > > "I'll see your Llama and up you a Badger."
> > > > > > John T
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Jim Harrison" <Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]"
> <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 9:41 AM
> > > > > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Continued issues with particular site
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Got captures?
> > > > > > We can determine a *lot* from a two-sided capture...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > Jim Harrison
> > > > > > MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG
> > > > > > http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/
> > > > > > http://isatools.org
> > > > > > Read the help / books / articles!
> > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 09:06
> > > > > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > > > > Subject: [isalist] Continued issues with particular site
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've still not been able to solve the problem with this one
> > > > > particular
> > > > > > page on a site we must use to track service calls. My
> > > > > users can log on to
> > > > > > the site fine, and access parts of the site, but when we
> > > > go to this
> > > > > > particular page to track issues by number, it comes up with
> > > > > a blank page.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "View Source" shows the right tags, <HTML> through </HTML>,
> > > > > but there is
> > > > > > no content. Accessing outside of ISA works fine. I've
> > > > > tried FW Client,
> > > > > > Proxy Client, changing authentication on both the rule and
> > > > > the network
> > > > > > proxy listener, entering "Direct Access," etc, removing the
> > > > > HTTP filter,
> > > > > > etc and nothing works.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The logs show the site being accessed properly, though the
> > > > > page is blank.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Where to turn? Is it PSS time?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > t
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----
> > > > > > "I'll see your Llama and up you a Badger."
> > > > > > John T
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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