[Ilugc] re: needed alternative for dreamweaver
- From: arnstein87@xxxxxxxxx (Arnold Noronha)
- Date: Thu May 15 19:27:05 2008
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves
<lawgon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
aha - I am *not* against using IDEs. I use quanta on linux and textmate on
mac for html. What I *am* against is using WYSIWYG editors for generating
html/css. If I click on 'list' in quanta I get the framework for a list. But
I *see* ul and li etc. That is not a problem. No one is asking people to
manually type everything. This is a far cry from trusting something to
generate code. You cannot build robust websites that way. You *must* be
conversant with CSS and HTML - there is no other go. Especially if you want
to build cross-browser compatible websites. Of course, if you want to build
IE only websites - no problem use doze tools and forget about CSS and HTML.
The web-apps that I've written and maintain are all written by hand,
so don't start flaming me too soon.
The learning curve to writing *good* html is quite high. My initial
designs for my webapps were when my HTML and CSS skills were not that
good, and we produced pathetic code that had to be hacked, over and
over again, to get it to look respectable on all browsers.
Of course, I learnt a lot in the process --- my app is XHTML strict now.
I'm throwing a few points here, without supporting either side of the debate:
1. For a first timer who needs to create production level code, or who
is getting paid for it --- perhaps, he can't afford to write it
manually. He'd be better off with some WYSIAWYG editor (+ the
php/python/ruby, which is easier to learn). Probably this holds more
true if you just need to write one or two pages.
2. If you really want to learn writing web-apps, write everything by hand.
2. If you are a professional, write everything by hand.
I also view CSS as a pathetic language/specification, although I still
use it for the lack of an alternative. Maybe I have lot more to learn
about it.
--Arnold
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