Hi All: I am putting this question up on the pcb forum because I am absolutely sure that somebody has had this need before: to flip a section of circuitry and remap the metal features, keepouts, rooms, (ie. anything that maps), etc. to the opposite side of a PCB. (In this case, the need is for a multi-layer symmetrical layout consisting of multi-layer HDI vias. ) Please advise if you are aware of any super convenient methods to accomplish this task. It almost seems to be so ridiculously fundamental that the Allegro tool should provide this functionality "out of the Box": like create temp group <RMB> Mirror geometry. Or at least that is how I wish it would function, along with a mapping file that would be user definable. But to my knowledge I have not discovered it as of yet. I can accomplish this now, by brute force through a series of steps that requires the usage of Edit--> Mirror (Origin - user-pick) for components and stand alone text, Edit -->Move (temp group) --> mirror geometry for shapes, clines, lines, and Edit--> Copy (temp group) mirror geometry for the via structures. From there I need to remap the metal and shape features: either by manual processes using a "third hand technique" and/or manipulating an ASCII sub-drawing file. And finally to remap the via structures, as needed. There are a few more details that are not explicitly stated here but you get the idea of the procedure to "getter done" by my primitive methods. I have not yet attempted to construct a Macro to repeat this series of steps; although, I am presently suspicious that the macro may malfunction if it encounters any deficiency of features that could potentially need to be re-mapped, as a robust solution, when potential features may not be encountered in the series of steps. Not to mention, you would need a separate macro for differing layer name conventions and stack-up differentiations. I have not done any Skill programming so I do not readily have a solution by those means. I will test the physical re-use method (.mdd) momentarily to see if there are any new enhancements available to flip the module. (But without the specific definition of a mapping file, it would not know what to do. And I have not seen any mapping utilities in the Allegro tool set to date. ) So I suspect it is still not supported, but I will still investigate. Is there a better way? Somebody hid the "EASY button" from me on this one. Sincerely yours, Michael Baumstark Sr. Electrical Engineer / PCB Design, CID+ Motorola - Advanced Product Technology Center 8000 West Sunrise Blvd. Mail Stop: 8E8 Plantation, FL USA 33322-9947 Intra: http://rprc.mot.com <http://rprc.mot.com/> ; http://pcbadvisor.mot.com <http://pcbadvisor.mot.com/> web: http://www.motorola.com <http://www.motorola.com/> --------------^------------------^-----------------^------------------^- ------------- >---^-.--- >---^-.--- >---^-.--- Motorola Internal Use [ ] Motorola Confidential Proprietary [ ]