Hello, Do you have a different case? When I received my braille plus, this was one of the first things I noticed. -----Original Message----- From: icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of MICHAEL MCCARTY Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 6:41 AM To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Question for all Braille,Plus ownersbbalgettingsome window-shopping time with th Interesting, my case doesn't cover any part of the keys. >>> chase.crispin@xxxxxxxxx 04/24/08 11:27PM >>> I don't use the case, because it is useless, and it covers some of the parts of the keys. I was one of those who have no problem brailleing on here. That's how I am typing now. Chase On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 22:46:18 -0400, Jeremiah Z. Rogers wrote: >Hi again Rob and listers. Given the overwhelming number, and tone, of >the responses to my message a couple weeks back about my experiencing >difficulty, and relative dissatisfaction with, brailling on the >Braille+, I >spent some time attempting to better my results and/or determine where >and what my problems inputting braille into the device really were. > >I have determined that my difficulties entering braille into the device >stem largely from entering braille in the most mobile or >non-traditional brailling situations, for example on my lap or while >lying in bed. I find that I make lots of errors brailling when the >device is on my lap that do not occur when the device is on a table or >other flat surface. I can much more efficiently produce documents in >the word processor, email, planner entries, and addresses when I'm able >to use a table. I also took the device out of its case for several days >and found that, though roughly the same difference in accuracy between >data entered on hard and soft surfaces still existed, I felt like I had >a better grasp of when characters might've been missed or improperly >formed when the device was out of its case. As a result of my paying >attention to some of these variables, I'd alter my original commentary >to Rob by saying that I trust data entry on the device much less on >softer surfaces than when brailling on hard ones, and would love to >know from the list whether those of you who so emphatically asserted >that you found braille input on the device to be satisfactory use your >cases or primarily keep your devices naked. > >Hope this information is of some use to you Rob or others, and I'll of >course be glad to read commentary spurred on by this post. > >Very gratefully, > >Jeremiah Z. Rogers > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jeremiah Z: Rogers [mailto:jeremiahzrogers@xxxxxxxxx] >Sent: Wednesday, April 16 10:27 >To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Subject: Re: [icon-discuss] Question for all BraillePLUS owners;also >getting some window-shopping time with the BraillePlus > >Hi Rob. I happily use the Braille+ for many personal and professional >tasks, but I do find interacting with the device bothersome in several >ways. I find the braille keys on the device to be a bit cramped, and I >find that I make many more brailling errors with the device than I do >when using any other device which allowed for braille input. I've >struggled to put my finger on why that is, but I think it has to do >with the device not accepting some keystrokes I attempt or the keys not >always being pressed when I think they are. I feel it necessary to >proofread much more carefully, and have to find and correct many more >errors, using this device than others. I also find the telephone keypad >on the device less comfortable than I'd hoped it would be in terms of >the ability to push the buttons for a long period of time. >The >braille and telephone keypad keys, and for that matter all of the keys >on the device, are noisy when pressed, and the telephone keys feel >almost pointed after using them for ten minutes or so. I've never seen >the Icon, and am incredibly curious about the physical differences >between it and the >Braille+. I hear that it is rounded on the bottom instead of the right >angles on the bottom of the Braille+, so I wonder if it wouldn't feel >better in a pocket than the >Braille+. I'm also very curious about the feel, action, and noise of >the >Braille+telephone keys on >the Icon. I'd like to try thumb braille on the Icon and use that as my >comparrison to life with the >Braille+. I use thumb braille on occasion with the Braille+, and it >Braille+works fine but I think it >would be much more desirable with a larger keypad perhaps like that >found on the Icon. Hope all this babble is of some use, and I look >forward to reading further discussion on the list. > >Jeremiah > >On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:48:59 -0700, Rob Lambert wrote: > > > >>I have seen some pictures of the Plus (I use a very powerful magnifier >>on my MacBook) and the keyboard looks cramped. I've still got a 15 >>year old Braille 'n Speak and I know what cramped keyboards are like >>because of it. LOL I have not updated in 15 years, and I really am >>looking at a new device, but i'm at...well...6 forks in the road. LOL. >>I'm looking very closely at the Braille Plus as one of the devices I'd like to get. >>So yeah is the keyboard on the BraillePlus cramped? Also, a good >>friend of mine told me that where she is if she needs to look at >>something such as the BraillePlus or Icon, that she can (in the sense >>of equipment loans for review purposes). I'm from Nevada and I'm not >>sure what we have here besides Easter Seals (which I heard on the news >>last week will be closing due to funding issues I think) and the NFB >>and I'm not sure if they have a tech lab or not. I know the local >>Blind Center only has the BrailleNote and PACmate (last I looked). >>What I'd like to do is to actually make a hard look at the device, but >>I can't make it to the conventions this summer due to my need to take >>the Praxis for my bachelors in special ed. 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