[icon-discuss] Re: Question for all BraillePLUS owners;alsogettingsome window-shopping time with th

Stacy,

Since the belt clip is smaller than the bottom of the case, the case tends to rock from side to side when you rest it on the belt clip.

Steve

----- Original Message ----- From: "stacey robinson" <staceyr75@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Hi Michael,
I am not sure why, but my case doesn't sit flat.
All I can figure is it's because of the belt clip.

Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Chesley
In Tennessee.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "MICHAEL MCCARTY" <mmccarty@xxxxxxx>
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I don't have any problems sitting my unit flat on the desk.


staceyr75@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 04/25/08 07:48AM >>>
Hi Jeremiah,
I don't use my case very much.
When a different one is released I would buy it and use it more I'm sure.
The belt clip on the current case doesn't allow the unit to sit flat on
surfaces.  If you are using your case, this could be why you have input
issues.

Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Chesley
In Tennessee.
staceyr75@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremiah Z. Rogers" <jeremiahzrogers@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:46 PM
Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Question for all BraillePLUS owners;also getting
some window-shopping time with the BraillePlus


Hi again Rob and listers. Given the overwhelming number, and tone, of the
responses to my message a couple weeks back about my experiencing
difficulty, and relative dissatisfaction with, brailling on the Braille+,
I
spent some time attempting to better my results and/or determine where and
what my problems inputting braille into the device really were.

I have determined that my difficulties entering braille into the device
stem
largely from entering braille in the most mobile  or non-traditional
brailling situations, for example on my lap or while lying in bed. I find
that I make lots of errors brailling when the device is on my lap that do
not occur when the device is on a table or other flat surface. I can much
more efficiently produce documents in the word processor, email, planner
entries, and addresses when I'm able to use a table. I also took the
device
out of its case for several days and found that, though roughly the same
difference in accuracy between data entered on hard and soft surfaces
still
existed, I felt like I had a better grasp of when characters might've been
missed or improperly formed when the device was out of its case. As a
result
of my paying attention to some of these variables, I'd alter my original
commentary to Rob by saying that I trust data entry on the device much
less
on softer surfaces than when brailling on hard ones, and would love to
know
from the list whether those of you who so emphatically asserted that you
found braille input on the device to be satisfactory use your cases or
primarily keep your devices naked.

Hope this information is of some use to you Rob or others, and I'll of
course be glad to read commentary spurred on by this post.

Very gratefully,

Jeremiah Z. Rogers


-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremiah Z: Rogers [mailto:jeremiahzrogers@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, April 16 10:27
To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [icon-discuss] Question for all BraillePLUS owners;also
getting
some window-shopping time with the BraillePlus

Hi Rob. I happily use the Braille+ for many personal and professional
tasks,
but I do find interacting with the device bothersome in several ways. I
find
the braille keys on the device to be a bit cramped, and I find that I make
many more brailling errors with the device than I do when using any other
device which allowed for braille input. I've struggled to put my finger on
why that is, but I think it has to do with the device not accepting some
keystrokes I attempt or the keys not always being pressed when I think
they
are. I feel it necessary to proofread much more carefully, and have to
find
and correct many more errors, using this device than others. I also find
the
telephone keypad on the device less comfortable than I'd hoped it would be in terms of the ability to push the buttons for a long period of time. The
braille and telephone keypad keys, and for that matter all of the keys on
the device, are noisy when pressed, and the telephone keys feel almost
pointed after using them for ten minutes or so. I've never seen the Icon,
and am incredibly curious about the physical differences between it and
the
Braille+. I hear that it is rounded on the bottom instead of the right
angles on the bottom of the Braille+, so I wonder if it wouldn't feel
better
in a pocket than the
Braille+. I'm also very curious about the feel, action, and noise of the
Braille+telephone keys on
the Icon. I'd like to try thumb braille on the Icon and use that as my
comparrison to life with the
Braille+. I use thumb braille on occasion with the Braille+, and it
Braille+works fine but I think it
would be much more desirable with a larger keypad perhaps like that found
on
the Icon. Hope all this babble is of some use, and I look forward to
reading
further discussion on the list.

Jeremiah

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:48:59 -0700, Rob Lambert wrote:



I have seen some pictures of the Plus (I use a very powerful magnifier
on my MacBook) and the keyboard looks cramped. I've still got a 15 year
old Braille 'n Speak and I know what cramped keyboards are like because
of it. LOL I have not updated in 15 years, and I really am looking at a
new device, but i'm at...well...6 forks in the road. LOL. I'm looking
very closely at the Braille Plus as one of the devices I'd like to get.
So yeah is the keyboard on the BraillePlus cramped? Also, a good friend
of mine told me that where she is if she needs to look at something
such as the BraillePlus or Icon, that she can (in the sense of
equipment loans for review purposes). I'm from Nevada and I'm not sure
what we have here besides Easter Seals (which I heard on the news last
week will be closing due to funding issues I think) and the NFB and I'm
not sure if they have a tech lab or not. I know the local Blind Center
only has the BrailleNote and PACmate (last I looked). What I'd like to
do is to actually make a hard look at the device, but I can't make it
to the conventions this summer due to my need to take the Praxis for my
bachelors in special ed. Get in touch in an instant.  Get Windows Live
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