Hi Steve, Yes, that's my problem. I also don't like that the keys aren't covered when the unit is in the case. Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Chesley In Tennessee. staceyr75@xxxxxxxxxxxxx----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Dresser" <s.dresser@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 11:17 AMSubject: [icon-discuss] Re: Question for all BraillePLUS owners;alsogettingsome window-shopping time with th
Stacy,Since the belt clip is smaller than the bottom of the case, the case tends to rock from side to side when you rest it on the belt clip.Steve----- Original Message ----- From: "stacey robinson" <staceyr75@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 08:17Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Question for all BraillePLUS owners;alsogettingsome window-shopping time with thHi Michael, I am not sure why, but my case doesn't sit flat. All I can figure is it's because of the belt clip. Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Chesley In Tennessee. staceyr75@xxxxxxxxxxxxx----- Original Message ----- From: "MICHAEL MCCARTY" <mmccarty@xxxxxxx>To: <icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 6:59 AMSubject: [icon-discuss] Re: Question for all BraillePLUS owners;alsogettingsome window-shopping time with thI don't have any problems sitting my unit flat on the desk.staceyr75@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 04/25/08 07:48AM >>>Hi Jeremiah, I don't use my case very much. When a different one is released I would buy it and use it more I'm sure. The belt clip on the current case doesn't allow the unit to sit flat on surfaces. If you are using your case, this could be why you have input issues. Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Chesley In Tennessee. staceyr75@xxxxxxxxxxxxx----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremiah Z. Rogers" <jeremiahzrogers@xxxxxxxxx>To: <icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:46 PMSubject: [icon-discuss] Re: Question for all BraillePLUS owners;also gettingsome window-shopping time with the BraillePlusHi again Rob and listers. Given the overwhelming number, and tone, of theresponses to my message a couple weeks back about my experiencingdifficulty, and relative dissatisfaction with, brailling on the Braille+,Ispent some time attempting to better my results and/or determine where andwhat my problems inputting braille into the device really were. I have determined that my difficulties entering braille into the device stem largely from entering braille in the most mobile or non-traditionalbrailling situations, for example on my lap or while lying in bed. I find that I make lots of errors brailling when the device is on my lap that do not occur when the device is on a table or other flat surface. I can muchmore efficiently produce documents in the word processor, email, planner entries, and addresses when I'm able to use a table. I also took the device out of its case for several days and found that, though roughly the same difference in accuracy between data entered on hard and soft surfaces stillexisted, I felt like I had a better grasp of when characters might've beenmissed or improperly formed when the device was out of its case. As a result of my paying attention to some of these variables, I'd alter my original commentary to Rob by saying that I trust data entry on the device much less on softer surfaces than when brailling on hard ones, and would love to know from the list whether those of you who so emphatically asserted that you found braille input on the device to be satisfactory use your cases or primarily keep your devices naked. Hope this information is of some use to you Rob or others, and I'll of course be glad to read commentary spurred on by this post. Very gratefully, Jeremiah Z. Rogers -----Original Message----- From: Jeremiah Z: Rogers [mailto:jeremiahzrogers@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, April 16 10:27 To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [icon-discuss] Question for all BraillePLUS owners;also getting some window-shopping time with the BraillePlus Hi Rob. I happily use the Braille+ for many personal and professional tasks, but I do find interacting with the device bothersome in several ways. I findthe braille keys on the device to be a bit cramped, and I find that I make many more brailling errors with the device than I do when using any other device which allowed for braille input. I've struggled to put my finger onwhy that is, but I think it has to do with the device not accepting some keystrokes I attempt or the keys not always being pressed when I think they are. I feel it necessary to proofread much more carefully, and have to find and correct many more errors, using this device than others. I also find thetelephone keypad on the device less comfortable than I'd hoped it would be in terms of the ability to push the buttons for a long period of time. The braille and telephone keypad keys, and for that matter all of the keys onthe device, are noisy when pressed, and the telephone keys feel almostpointed after using them for ten minutes or so. I've never seen the Icon,and am incredibly curious about the physical differences between it and the Braille+. I hear that it is rounded on the bottom instead of the right angles on the bottom of the Braille+, so I wonder if it wouldn't feel better in a pocket than the Braille+. I'm also very curious about the feel, action, and noise of the Braille+telephone keys on the Icon. I'd like to try thumb braille on the Icon and use that as my comparrison to life with the Braille+. I use thumb braille on occasion with the Braille+, and it Braille+works fine but I think itwould be much more desirable with a larger keypad perhaps like that foundon the Icon. Hope all this babble is of some use, and I look forward to reading further discussion on the list. Jeremiah On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:48:59 -0700, Rob Lambert wrote:I have seen some pictures of the Plus (I use a very powerful magnifier on my MacBook) and the keyboard looks cramped. I've still got a 15 year old Braille 'n Speak and I know what cramped keyboards are like because of it. LOL I have not updated in 15 years, and I really am looking at a new device, but i'm at...well...6 forks in the road. LOL. I'm looking very closely at the Braille Plus as one of the devices I'd like to get. So yeah is the keyboard on the BraillePlus cramped? Also, a good friend of mine told me that where she is if she needs to look at something such as the BraillePlus or Icon, that she can (in the sense of equipment loans for review purposes). I'm from Nevada and I'm not sure what we have here besides Easter Seals (which I heard on the news last week will be closing due to funding issues I think) and the NFB and I'm not sure if they have a tech lab or not. I know the local Blind Center only has the BrailleNote and PACmate (last I looked). What I'd like to do is to actually make a hard look at the device, but I can't make it to the conventions this summer due to my need to take the Praxis for my bachelors in special ed. Get in touch in an instant. 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