Thanks to Ron O. for pointing out the serious issue of conflicting traffic on base leg. Hopefully all this good discussion will lead to better awareness. In my experience there is no substitute for "see and avoid." I have flown at busy uncontrolled with powered traffic singing out every intended move on the radio. I have also spent many years observing our busy operation. Our pattern is far safer. Tow pilots and gliders must continually scan for traffic in the pattern. There should be no assumption that traffic will self announce their position. The club has no plans to equip the trainers with panel mount radios so there will always be gliders flying without radios at Harris Hill. Having said that, all members are strongly encouraged to put a battery or hand held radio in the ship they are flying. This allows pilots to contact the tower if they want to fly off the end of the runway at ELM to take advantage of soaring conditions. This would have been handy during the snowbird when several pilots explored the wave over Minier's. Some were above Class D and were okay. Others violated the agreement. Even through they could have called the tower easily, they didn't. This puts our club in jeapordy. The radio would also then be available for judicious use in the pattern. All tow pilots are encouraged to listen up on 123.3. This is an enhancement for communication during tow. I will ensure all tow planes have adequate headsets available. Radio calls should be by exception only. This means call if you need something from the tow pilot like more speed, certainly call. Gliders should a tow pilot if you are concerned they don't see the glider and won't yield right of way in the pattern. Call another glider to sort out the landing order or to advise where you plan to roll out. Do not call out legs of the traffic pattern. The reason we must keep the chatter off 123.3 is that cross country glider pilots all across the Northeast can hear every transmission. With all that radio traffic, cross country gliders are forced to turn the radio off. This creates a problem if the pilot subsequently goes missing. No body has the first clue where to start looking. This concern far exceeds the usefulness of calling out legs of the traffic pattern. Likewise, cross country pilots should limit their transmissions to short, useful messages. A message like "I'm looking at fields 6 miles southwest of Malco airport" is very important to get out to other pilots. On the other extreme, I've actually had to listen to guys making dinner plans at Ridge Soaring. This is less than useful. Sorry for the long message, Sean __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4655 (20091202) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com