Good morning Alan wow that attachment you sent me called Bungalow to guide is fasinating Oh read it earlier on wow love the way you described that such as using the whole 6 keys at same time to make dotted lines and the three dots on left at once to make windows but sounds very difficult going to have a go today when had my breakfast knowing me probably make a balls of it hahahahaha keep trying Alan not going to give up This chat group is fantastic if we all never speak about anything we would never find anything out from others would we? Have you sent the attachment to the group? they can have a try if they have a Braill perkins machine good fun when I write braille leters to friends i like to underline the date by pressing the letter c on my braille machine which in this case its 3 and 4 they both at side of space bar. take care Love Carol x.x.x.x.