Catherine O'Farrell COMS, CVRT Southeastern Blind Rehabilitation Center VA Medical Center 700 South 19th Street Birmingham, AL 35233 (205) 933-8101 Ext. 5023 -----Original Message----- From: FreeLists Mailing List Manager [mailto:ecartis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 1:30 AM To: gps-talkusers digest users Subject: gps-talkusers Digest V4 #311 gps-talkusers Digest Thu, 13 Dec 2007 Volume: 04 Issue: 311 In This Issue: [gps-talkusers] Re: what receivers are shipping? [gps-talkusers] Re: what receivers are shipping? [gps-talkusers] Re: what receivers are shipping? [gps-talkusers] BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS [gps-talkusers] Sindero Performance was Re: Re: BrailleNote [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS [gps-talkusers] gps inside? 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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:07:43 -0700 okay thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gammon" <jgammon1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:26 PM Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: what receivers are shipping? > If you bought from Sendero, then it's the Holux M-1000, a terrific > receiver with twice the battery life as the Holux 236, at around 17 hours, > much better acquisition time, and it will give you slower movement speeds > as well, like around 1 mph or so whereas the Holux 236 does not do that. > At least mine never would. So, it's the Holux M-1000, seems the best at > this time. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tina B." <tinabir@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 7:56 PM > Subject: [gps-talkusers] what receivers are shipping? > > >>I called today to check on the price of my upgrade if it doesn't come with >>the m-power, bt forgot to check on the types of receivers available. What >>ones are offered now and are they pretty easy to use and are they all >>bluetooth? I thought a long ttime ago I'd heard the earthmate is really >>simple to use, of course i'll use my wired megellan for a while if i have >>to, hopefully i could get the receiver later with a upgrade? anyone know? >>but wanted to know what goes out now with the softare. I'd just be glad to >>have software with maps! Mine doesn't which is a big reason why i never >>played much with it. >> >> > > > ------------------------------ From: "Tina B." <tinabir@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: what receivers are shipping? Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:10:44 -0700 thanks tha tells me wht i needed to know. ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.J. Meddaugh" <jj@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 9:03 PM Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: what receivers are shipping? > Hello Tina. The current Bluetooth is the Holux M-1000. It's $99 on its own > from Sendero, which includes a custom case and other accessories. You > won't find it much cheaper with that case anywhere else online. > Personally, in using the M-1000 I get WAAS and 10-15 foot accuracy just > about anywhere I've gone. > No special configuration is required to use the unit. > HTH > > J.J. > www.BlindBargains.com > Deals, news, and resources for the blind and visually impaired > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tina B." <tinabir@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:56 PM > Subject: [gps-talkusers] what receivers are shipping? > > >>I called today to check on the price of my upgrade if it doesn't come with >>the m-power, bt forgot to check on the types of receivers available. What >>ones are offered now and are they pretty easy to use and are they all >>bluetooth? I thought a long ttime ago I'd heard the earthmate is really >>simple to use, of course i'll use my wired megellan for a while if i have >>to, hopefully i could get the receiver later with a upgrade? anyone know? >>but wanted to know what goes out now with the softare. I'd just be glad to >>have software with maps! Mine doesn't which is a big reason why i never >>played much with it. >> >> > > ------------------------------ From: "James Malone" <malone_j@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: what receivers are shipping? Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:02:37 -0800 How much is the Receiver? -----Original Message----- From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Gammon Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 9:26 PM To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: what receivers are shipping? If you bought from Sendero, then it's the Holux M-1000, a terrific receiver with twice the battery life as the Holux 236, at around 17 hours, much better acquisition time, and it will give you slower movement speeds as well, like around 1 mph or so whereas the Holux 236 does not do that. At least mine never would. So, it's the Holux M-1000, seems the best at this time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tina B." <tinabir@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 7:56 PM Subject: [gps-talkusers] what receivers are shipping? >I called today to check on the price of my upgrade if it doesn't come >with the m-power, bt forgot to check on the types of receivers >available. What ones are offered now and are they pretty easy to use >and are they all bluetooth? I thought a long ttime ago I'd heard the >earthmate is really simple to use, of course i'll use my wired megellan >for a while if i have to, hopefully i could get the receiver later with a upgrade? anyone know? >but wanted to know what goes out now with the softare. I'd just be glad >to have software with maps! Mine doesn't which is a big reason why i >never played much with it. > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:26:44 -0500 From: "Eric Brinkman" <eric.brinkman1@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [gps-talkusers] BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS Hi, I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS and the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the two. Thanks in advance. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:46:40 -0500 From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of things although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've only used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can comment on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user experiences, but none from me personally. Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM: > Hi, > > I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS and > the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the two. > Thanks in advance. > > Eric -- Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com ------------------------------ From: "Judy W" <judyw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:58:02 -0600 Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from sendero could tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster. Judy -----Original Message----- From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of things although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've only used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can comment on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user experiences, but none from me personally. Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM: > Hi, > > I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS and > the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the two. > Thanks in advance. > > Eric -- Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:15:21 -0500 From: Alex Parks <mehgcap@xxxxxxx> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS I am not from Sendero, but the bnmp has a 416mhz processor and 64mb ram while the vs has a 520mhz processor and 128mb ram. I imagine this would make it run faster, but cannot say for sure. Basically, though, the software is the same on both machines, except the user interface which is customized for either the bn or vs. Have a great day, Alex > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Judy W" <judyw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Date sent: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:58:02 -0600 >Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from sendero could >tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster. >Judy >-----Original Message----- >From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos >Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM >To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of things >although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've only >used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can comment >on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user >experiences, but none from me personally. >Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM: >> Hi, >> I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS and >> the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the two. >> Thanks in advance. >> Eric >-- >Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support >Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 >WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com >FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com ------------------------------ From: "Kevin Chao" <g.unit89@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:14:15 -0800 If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test. Let's say we just have the maps for California loaded and create a route from Sendero Group to the LightHouse and see what the difference in speed is. Raul, I am not sure if there is some progress tone on the Sense Nav. On the Sendero GPS, there is a swoosh that occurs every 3 seconds to indicate some progress. Starting: Sendero Group 11188 Maple Lane Davis, CA Ending: LightHouse 214 Van ness Ave San Francisco, CA Could someone perform the route calculation on the BrailleNote and someone on the VoiceSense? We then can compare notes. It might be faster on the VoiceSense as Alex suggested as there is more processing power and RAM on the VoiceSense. There are many variables that aren't accounted for, but this is just a general comparison. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from sendero could tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster. Judy -----Original Message----- From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of things although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've only used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can comment on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user experiences, but none from me personally. Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM: > Hi, > > I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS and > the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the two. > Thanks in advance. > > Eric -- Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com ------------------------------ From: "Scott Granados" <gsgranados@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Sindero Performance was Re: Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Vo Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:20:32 -0800 You know I was literally going to ask this question this morning. Does the Sindero product run better on any specific platform? Not just faster but in a more stable way. I assume that differences in hardware and software (regardless of how expert your QA is) may yield slightly different results. Does it perform better on anything specific? Is the fastest also the most stable? Also, I didn't realize that you all were so close to the bay area, I'll buy the drinks if anyone's in the south bay.:) Thanks Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Chao" <g.unit89@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:14 AM Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS > If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test. > > Let's say we just have the maps for California loaded and create a route > from Sendero Group to the LightHouse and see what the > difference in speed is. > > Raul, I am not sure if there is some progress tone on the Sense Nav. On > the Sendero GPS, there is a swoosh that occurs every 3 > seconds to indicate some progress. > > Starting: > Sendero Group > 11188 Maple Lane > Davis, CA > > Ending: > LightHouse > 214 Van ness Ave > San Francisco, CA > > Could someone perform the route calculation on the BrailleNote and someone > on the VoiceSense? We then can compare notes. > > It might be faster on the VoiceSense as Alex suggested as there is more > processing power and RAM on the VoiceSense. > > There are many variables that aren't accounted for, but this is just a > general comparison. > > Kevin > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM > To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS > > > Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from sendero > could > tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster. > > Judy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM > To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS > > > Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of things > although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've only > used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can comment > on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user > experiences, but none from me personally. > > Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM: >> Hi, >> >> I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS and >> the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the two. >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Eric > > > -- > Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support > Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 > WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com > FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:40:43 -0500 From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS Hi. On the Voice Sense I put in Sendero as the virtual position and the Lighthouse as the destination. It showed that the destination was 64.37 miles southwest from Sendero. The Voice Sense plays progress tones, but I don't think they are three seconds apart. I created the route using two slightly methods. The first was using the micro hard drive CF card with the whole West of the US loaded. The second test was with only the California maps loaded in the flashdisk of the Voice Sense. In both cases the result was the same. Creating a vehicle route took 57 beeps. The route had 364 waypoints. To be honest, this is longer than what I would have thought. At least when I've created many routes in Denver, Chicago, and Fort Wayne, 60 or so mile routes do not seem to take as long, but I don't know if POIs or map areas have something to do with this. So, there is the Voice Sense side of things. Kevin Chao said the following on 12/13/2007 1:14 PM: > If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test. > > Let's say we just have the maps for California loaded and create a route from Sendero Group to the LightHouse and see what the > difference in speed is. > > Raul, I am not sure if there is some progress tone on the Sense Nav. On the Sendero GPS, there is a swoosh that occurs every 3 > seconds to indicate some progress. > > Starting: > Sendero Group > 11188 Maple Lane > Davis, CA > > Ending: > LightHouse > 214 Van ness Ave > San Francisco, CA > > Could someone perform the route calculation on the BrailleNote and someone on the VoiceSense? We then can compare notes. > > It might be faster on the VoiceSense as Alex suggested as there is more processing power and RAM on the VoiceSense. > > There are many variables that aren't accounted for, but this is just a general comparison. > > Kevin > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM > To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS > > > Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from sendero could > tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster. > > Judy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM > To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS > > > Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of things > although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've only > used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can comment > on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user > experiences, but none from me personally. > > Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM: >> Hi, >> >> I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS and >> the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the two. >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Eric > > > -- > Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support > Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 > WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com > FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com > > > > -- Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com ------------------------------ From: "Tina B." <tinabir@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [gps-talkusers] gps inside? Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:24:06 -0700 Hi. Does the braille note gps work indoors yet or is that being planned? Also, if I get a jump drive for my m-power , can I save the maps for the US on to that drive or what kind of device are they on like a cf card or an sd card? I know you can get those little drives with several gigs have a friend who just got a 3 or 4 gig one so that is what made me wonder and if I can, what gig should I go with just to be sure there is enough space? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:40 PM Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS > Hi. On the Voice Sense I put in Sendero as the virtual position and the > Lighthouse as the destination. It showed that the destination was 64.37 > miles southwest from Sendero. > > The Voice Sense plays progress tones, but I don't think they are three > seconds apart. I created the route using two slightly methods. The first > was using the micro hard drive CF card with the whole West of the US > loaded. The second test was with only the California maps loaded in the > flashdisk of the Voice Sense. In both cases the result was the same. > Creating a vehicle route took 57 beeps. The route had 364 waypoints. To be > honest, this is longer than what I would have thought. At least when I've > created many routes in Denver, Chicago, and Fort Wayne, 60 or so mile > routes do not seem to take as long, but I don't know if POIs or map areas > have something to do with this. > > So, there is the Voice Sense side of things. > > Kevin Chao said the following on 12/13/2007 1:14 PM: >> If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test. Let's say we just have >> the maps for California loaded and create a route from Sendero Group to >> the LightHouse and see what the >> difference in speed is. Raul, I am not sure if there is some progress >> tone on the Sense Nav. On the Sendero GPS, there is a swoosh that occurs >> every 3 >> seconds to indicate some progress. Starting: Sendero Group >> 11188 Maple Lane Davis, CA Ending: LightHouse >> 214 Van ness Ave San Francisco, CA Could someone perform the route >> calculation on the BrailleNote and someone on the VoiceSense? We then can >> compare notes. It might be faster on the VoiceSense as Alex suggested as >> there is more processing power and RAM on the VoiceSense. There are many >> variables that aren't accounted for, but this is just a general >> comparison. Kevin -----Original Message----- >> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W >> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM >> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >> >> >> Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from sendero >> could >> tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster. >> >> Judy >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos >> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM >> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >> >> >> Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of things >> although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've only >> used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can comment >> on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user >> experiences, but none from me personally. >> >> Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS and >>> the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the two. >>> Thanks in advance. >>> >>> Eric >> >> >> -- >> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support >> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 >> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com >> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support > Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 > WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com > FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com > > ------------------------------ From: Chris Grabowski <chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: gps inside? Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:42:31 -0500 Hi Tina, I'll answer your second question. the maps will run from SD cf or usb jump drives. However it is not recommended to run your maps from the jump drive because in motion you could bump the usb drive therefore braking it off. Hope this helps. Chris On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:24:06 -0700, "Tina B." <tinabir@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >Hi. Does the braille note gps work indoors yet or is that being planned? >Also, if I get a jump drive for my m-power , can I save the maps for the US >on to that drive or what kind of device are they on like a cf card or an sd >card? I know you can get those little drives with several gigs have a friend >who just got a 3 or 4 gig one so that is what made me wonder and if I can, >what gig should I go with just to be sure there is enough space? >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@xxxxxxxxxxx> >To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:40 PM >Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS > > >> Hi. On the Voice Sense I put in Sendero as the virtual position and the >> Lighthouse as the destination. It showed that the destination was 64.37 >> miles southwest from Sendero. >> >> The Voice Sense plays progress tones, but I don't think they are three >> seconds apart. I created the route using two slightly methods. The first >> was using the micro hard drive CF card with the whole West of the US >> loaded. The second test was with only the California maps loaded in the >> flashdisk of the Voice Sense. In both cases the result was the same. >> Creating a vehicle route took 57 beeps. The route had 364 waypoints. To be >> honest, this is longer than what I would have thought. At least when I've >> created many routes in Denver, Chicago, and Fort Wayne, 60 or so mile >> routes do not seem to take as long, but I don't know if POIs or map areas >> have something to do with this. >> >> So, there is the Voice Sense side of things. >> >> Kevin Chao said the following on 12/13/2007 1:14 PM: >>> If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test. Let's say we just have >>> the maps for California loaded and create a route from Sendero Group to >>> the LightHouse and see what the >>> difference in speed is. Raul, I am not sure if there is some progress >>> tone on the Sense Nav. On the Sendero GPS, there is a swoosh that occurs >>> every 3 >>> seconds to indicate some progress. Starting: Sendero Group >>> 11188 Maple Lane Davis, CA Ending: LightHouse >>> 214 Van ness Ave San Francisco, CA Could someone perform the route >>> calculation on the BrailleNote and someone on the VoiceSense? We then can >>> compare notes. It might be faster on the VoiceSense as Alex suggested as >>> there is more processing power and RAM on the VoiceSense. There are many >>> variables that aren't accounted for, but this is just a general >>> comparison. Kevin -----Original Message----- >>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W >>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM >>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >>> >>> >>> Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from sendero >>> could >>> tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster. >>> >>> Judy >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos >>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM >>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >>> >>> >>> Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of things >>> although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've only >>> used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can comment >>> on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user >>> experiences, but none from me personally. >>> >>> Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS and >>>> the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the two. >>>> Thanks in advance. >>>> >>>> Eric >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support >>> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 >>> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com >>> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support >> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 >> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com >> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com >> >> > > > > >__________ NOD32 2721 (20071213) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:48:46 -0500 From: Alex Parks <mehgcap@xxxxxxx> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: gps inside? Gps relies on satellites, whose signals are blocked by buildings. You may be able to pick up a signal indoors but there is no way you will be able to navigate a building with it. A jump drive would work but I recommend a cf or sd card which can be left in the unit more easily and does not stick out. The maps come on an 8gb card, but you can get anywhere from a 1gb to 16gb. What size you get depends on how many maps you will need at a time and which maps they are--the Maine maps are much smaller than the California maps. Have a great day, Alex > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tina B." <tinabir@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Date sent: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:24:06 -0700 >Subject: [gps-talkusers] gps inside? >Hi. Does the braille note gps work indoors yet or is that being planned? >Also, if I get a jump drive for my m-power , can I save the maps for the US >on to that drive or what kind of device are they on like a cf card or an sd >card? I know you can get those little drives with several gigs have a friend >who just got a 3 or 4 gig one so that is what made me wonder and if I can, >what gig should I go with just to be sure there is enough space? >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@xxxxxxxxxxx >To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:40 PM >Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >> Hi. On the Voice Sense I put in Sendero as the virtual position and the >> Lighthouse as the destination. It showed that the destination was 64.37 >> miles southwest from Sendero. >> The Voice Sense plays progress tones, but I don't think they are three >> seconds apart. I created the route using two slightly methods. The first >> was using the micro hard drive CF card with the whole West of the US >> loaded. The second test was with only the California maps loaded in the >> flashdisk of the Voice Sense. In both cases the result was the same. >> Creating a vehicle route took 57 beeps. The route had 364 waypoints. To be >> honest, this is longer than what I would have thought. At least when I've >> created many routes in Denver, Chicago, and Fort Wayne, 60 or so mile >> routes do not seem to take as long, but I don't know if POIs or map areas >> have something to do with this. >> So, there is the Voice Sense side of things. >> Kevin Chao said the following on 12/13/2007 1:14 PM: >>> If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test. Let's say we just have >>> the maps for California loaded and create a route from Sendero Group to >>> the LightHouse and see what the >>> difference in speed is. Raul, I am not sure if there is some progress >>> tone on the Sense Nav. On the Sendero GPS, there is a swoosh that occurs >>> every 3 >>> seconds to indicate some progress. Starting: Sendero Group >>> 11188 Maple Lane Davis, CA Ending: LightHouse >>> 214 Van ness Ave San Francisco, CA Could someone perform the route >>> calculation on the BrailleNote and someone on the VoiceSense? We then can >>> compare notes. It might be faster on the VoiceSense as Alex suggested as >>> there is more processing power and RAM on the VoiceSense. There are many >>> variables that aren't accounted for, but this is just a general >>> comparison. Kevin -----Original Message----- >>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W >>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM >>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >>> Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from sendero >>> could >>> tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster. >>> Judy >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos >>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM >>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >>> Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of things >>> although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've only >>> used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can comment >>> on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user >>> experiences, but none from me personally. >>> Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM: >>>> Hi, >>>> I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS and >>>> the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the two. >>>> Thanks in advance. >>>> Eric >>> -- >>> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support >>> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 >>> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com >>> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com >> -- >> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support >> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 >> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com >> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com ------------------------------ From: "Scott Granados" <gsgranados@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: gps inside? Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:46:55 -0800 Tina, just a quick primer on how GPS works to answer your first question. There is a constilation of space based platforms that the defense department put up for the purposes of navigation in military applications. This system uses very carefully controled time sources and a receiver which measures the deviation of signal received from one of several birds that your receiver locks on to at any given time. You need I believe it's 4 birds at a minimum to have a fix in 3 dimentions. (someone pipe in if I'm way off here) So, can you use the GPS inside? Not so well. Yes, mine comes on in my house but there's no floors above my position and the roof allows some signal to pass. This is not normally the case. In most buildings (like where I work for example) the roof and materials totally obstruct the signal. In fact, I work in a lab where we use GPS signals for very careful timing. We have to pass an antenna up through the roof and calebrate it carefully, with the position exactly of each sattellite so that we can generate really accurate time signals. My point is that you have no signal to work with inside a building typically so it's not possible to get a fix, something your receiver needs to transmit position data to the Sindero package. If you had another means of calculating a fix either with a gyroscope or something that can calculate movement until the signal is reacquired you might have something but as it stands now I don't think it's workable indoors for the most part. I'm sure someone from Sindero will detail this better but this is my understanding. Thanks Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tina B." <tinabir@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 4:24 PM Subject: [gps-talkusers] gps inside? > Hi. Does the braille note gps work indoors yet or is that being planned? > Also, if I get a jump drive for my m-power , can I save the maps for the > US on to that drive or what kind of device are they on like a cf card or > an sd card? I know you can get those little drives with several gigs have > a friend who just got a 3 or 4 gig one so that is what made me wonder and > if I can, what gig should I go with just to be sure there is enough space? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:40 PM > Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS > > >> Hi. On the Voice Sense I put in Sendero as the virtual position and the >> Lighthouse as the destination. It showed that the destination was 64.37 >> miles southwest from Sendero. >> >> The Voice Sense plays progress tones, but I don't think they are three >> seconds apart. I created the route using two slightly methods. The first >> was using the micro hard drive CF card with the whole West of the US >> loaded. The second test was with only the California maps loaded in the >> flashdisk of the Voice Sense. In both cases the result was the same. >> Creating a vehicle route took 57 beeps. The route had 364 waypoints. To >> be honest, this is longer than what I would have thought. At least when >> I've created many routes in Denver, Chicago, and Fort Wayne, 60 or so >> mile routes do not seem to take as long, but I don't know if POIs or map >> areas have something to do with this. >> >> So, there is the Voice Sense side of things. >> >> Kevin Chao said the following on 12/13/2007 1:14 PM: >>> If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test. Let's say we just have >>> the maps for California loaded and create a route from Sendero Group to >>> the LightHouse and see what the >>> difference in speed is. Raul, I am not sure if there is some progress >>> tone on the Sense Nav. On the Sendero GPS, there is a swoosh that occurs >>> every 3 >>> seconds to indicate some progress. Starting: Sendero Group >>> 11188 Maple Lane Davis, CA Ending: LightHouse >>> 214 Van ness Ave San Francisco, CA Could someone perform the route >>> calculation on the BrailleNote and someone on the VoiceSense? We then >>> can compare notes. It might be faster on the VoiceSense as Alex >>> suggested as there is more processing power and RAM on the VoiceSense. >>> There are many variables that aren't accounted for, but this is just a >>> general comparison. Kevin -----Original Message----- >>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W >>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM >>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >>> >>> >>> Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from sendero >>> could >>> tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster. >>> >>> Judy >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos >>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM >>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >>> >>> >>> Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of things >>> although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've only >>> used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can comment >>> on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user >>> experiences, but none from me personally. >>> >>> Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS and >>>> the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the two. >>>> Thanks in advance. >>>> >>>> Eric >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support >>> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 >>> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com >>> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support >> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 >> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com >> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com >> >> > > > ------------------------------ Date:Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:58:07 -0500 From:jeremy gilbreth <jermy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [gps-talkusers] e: gps inside? Hi, Tina. I have used my Gps to get around in the mall. Later. > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tina B." <tinabir@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Date sent: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:24:06 -0700 >Subject: [gps-talkusers] gps inside? >Hi. Does the braille note gps work indoors yet or is that being planned? >Also, if I get a jump drive for my m-power , can I save the maps for the US >on to that drive or what kind of device are they on like a cf card or an sd >card? I know you can get those little drives with several gigs have a friend >who just got a 3 or 4 gig one so that is what made me wonder and if I can, >what gig should I go with just to be sure there is enough space? >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@xxxxxxxxxxx >To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:40 PM >Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >> Hi. On the Voice Sense I put in Sendero as the virtual position and the >> Lighthouse as the destination. It showed that the destination was 64.37 >> miles southwest from Sendero. >> The Voice Sense plays progress tones, but I don't think they are three >> seconds apart. I created the route using two slightly methods. The first >> was using the micro hard drive CF card with the whole West of the US >> loaded. The second test was with only the California maps loaded in the >> flashdisk of the Voice Sense. In both cases the result was the same. >> Creating a vehicle route took 57 beeps. The route had 364 waypoints. To be >> honest, this is longer than what I would have thought. At least when I've >> created many routes in Denver, Chicago, and Fort Wayne, 60 or so mile >> routes do not seem to take as long, but I don't know if POIs or map areas >> have something to do with this. >> So, there is the Voice Sense side of things. >> Kevin Chao said the following on 12/13/2007 1:14 PM: >>> If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test. Let's say we just have >>> the maps for California loaded and create a route from Sendero Group to >>> the LightHouse and see what the >>> difference in speed is. Raul, I am not sure if there is some progress >>> tone on the Sense Nav. On the Sendero GPS, there is a swoosh that occurs >>> every 3 >>> seconds to indicate some progress. Starting: Sendero Group >>> 11188 Maple Lane Davis, CA Ending: LightHouse >>> 214 Van ness Ave San Francisco, CA Could someone perform the route >>> calculation on the BrailleNote and someone on the VoiceSense? We then can >>> compare notes. It might be faster on the VoiceSense as Alex suggested as >>> there is more processing power and RAM on the VoiceSense. There are many >>> variables that aren't accounted for, but this is just a general >>> comparison. Kevin -----Original Message----- >>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W >>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM >>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >>> Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from sendero >>> could >>> tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster. >>> Judy >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos >>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM >>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >>> Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of things >>> although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've only >>> used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can comment >>> on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user >>> experiences, but none from me personally. >>> Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM: >>>> Hi, >>>> I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS and >>>> the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the two. >>>> Thanks in advance. >>>> Eric >>> -- >>> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support >>> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 >>> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com >>> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com >> -- >> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support >> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 >> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com >> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com ------------------------------ From: "Jim Gammon" <jgammon1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:16:26 -0800 Sounds great, but to be fair, you should use a stopwatch to time the route creation in both cases and see how long each unit takes. Counting beeps is probably not accurate as they may go faster on the Voice Sense due to the faster processor. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:40 PM Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS > Hi. On the Voice Sense I put in Sendero as the virtual position and the > Lighthouse as the destination. It showed that the destination was 64.37 > miles southwest from Sendero. > > The Voice Sense plays progress tones, but I don't think they are three > seconds apart. I created the route using two slightly methods. The first > was using the micro hard drive CF card with the whole West of the US > loaded. The second test was with only the California maps loaded in the > flashdisk of the Voice Sense. In both cases the result was the same. > Creating a vehicle route took 57 beeps. The route had 364 waypoints. To be > honest, this is longer than what I would have thought. At least when I've > created many routes in Denver, Chicago, and Fort Wayne, 60 or so mile > routes do not seem to take as long, but I don't know if POIs or map areas > have something to do with this. > > So, there is the Voice Sense side of things. > > Kevin Chao said the following on 12/13/2007 1:14 PM: >> If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test. Let's say we just have >> the maps for California loaded and create a route from Sendero Group to >> the LightHouse and see what the >> difference in speed is. Raul, I am not sure if there is some progress >> tone on the Sense Nav. On the Sendero GPS, there is a swoosh that occurs >> every 3 >> seconds to indicate some progress. Starting: Sendero Group >> 11188 Maple Lane Davis, CA Ending: LightHouse >> 214 Van ness Ave San Francisco, CA Could someone perform the route >> calculation on the BrailleNote and someone on the VoiceSense? We then can >> compare notes. It might be faster on the VoiceSense as Alex suggested as >> there is more processing power and RAM on the VoiceSense. There are many >> variables that aren't accounted for, but this is just a general >> comparison. Kevin -----Original Message----- >> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W >> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM >> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >> >> >> Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from sendero >> could >> tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster. >> >> Judy >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos >> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM >> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >> >> >> Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of things >> although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've only >> used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can comment >> on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user >> experiences, but none from me personally. >> >> Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS and >>> the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the two. >>> Thanks in advance. >>> >>> Eric >> >> >> -- >> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support >> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 >> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com >> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support > Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 > WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com > FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com > ------------------------------ From: "Scott Granados" <gsgranados@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:41:13 -0800 Actually, neither are a good solution. Depending on the OS's (Did someone say Windows CE?) you should run a benchmarking tool. Or, maybe that's to complex, maybe if again it's a windows derivitive, you could employ a port of the unix time command which literally times the exact start and stop of a given process. I'm not sure how open these devices are though, my gut tells me not very but I've been pleasantly surprised lately. I'm rather thinking that the results may be similar enough that human measurement might not provide enough resolution. At a minimum, precision is always a good thing. (tm) :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gammon" <jgammon1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:16 PM Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS > Sounds great, but to be fair, you should use a stopwatch to time the route > creation in both cases and see how long each unit takes. Counting beeps > is probably not accurate as they may go faster on the Voice Sense due to > the faster processor. Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:40 PM > Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS > > >> Hi. On the Voice Sense I put in Sendero as the virtual position and the >> Lighthouse as the destination. It showed that the destination was 64.37 >> miles southwest from Sendero. >> >> The Voice Sense plays progress tones, but I don't think they are three >> seconds apart. I created the route using two slightly methods. The first >> was using the micro hard drive CF card with the whole West of the US >> loaded. The second test was with only the California maps loaded in the >> flashdisk of the Voice Sense. In both cases the result was the same. >> Creating a vehicle route took 57 beeps. The route had 364 waypoints. To >> be honest, this is longer than what I would have thought. At least when >> I've created many routes in Denver, Chicago, and Fort Wayne, 60 or so >> mile routes do not seem to take as long, but I don't know if POIs or map >> areas have something to do with this. >> >> So, there is the Voice Sense side of things. >> >> Kevin Chao said the following on 12/13/2007 1:14 PM: >>> If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test. Let's say we just have >>> the maps for California loaded and create a route from Sendero Group to >>> the LightHouse and see what the >>> difference in speed is. Raul, I am not sure if there is some progress >>> tone on the Sense Nav. On the Sendero GPS, there is a swoosh that occurs >>> every 3 >>> seconds to indicate some progress. Starting: Sendero Group >>> 11188 Maple Lane Davis, CA Ending: LightHouse >>> 214 Van ness Ave San Francisco, CA Could someone perform the route >>> calculation on the BrailleNote and someone on the VoiceSense? We then >>> can compare notes. It might be faster on the VoiceSense as Alex >>> suggested as there is more processing power and RAM on the VoiceSense. >>> There are many variables that aren't accounted for, but this is just a >>> general comparison. Kevin -----Original Message----- >>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W >>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM >>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >>> >>> >>> Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from sendero >>> could >>> tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster. >>> >>> Judy >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos >>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM >>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >>> >>> >>> Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of things >>> although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've only >>> used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can comment >>> on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user >>> experiences, but none from me personally. >>> >>> Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS and >>>> the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the two. >>>> Thanks in advance. >>>> >>>> Eric >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support >>> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 >>> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com >>> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support >> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 >> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com >> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:52:49 -0800 From: Charles LaPierre <charles@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS For this even if the difference is a second it won't matter that much its not like we are clocking FLOPS or something. A 60+ mile route will have enough of a difference that a stopwatch will be more that enough to determine how fast both calculate the same route. I would imagine that the Voice Sense having 100 MHz faster processor will hands down beat the BrailleNote in route creation, my guess is there will be probably a 5 to 10 second speed difference on the Voice Sense. Charles. At 06:41 PM 12/13/2007, you wrote: >Actually, neither are a good solution. Depending on the OS's (Did >someone say Windows CE?) you should run a benchmarking tool. Or, >maybe that's to complex, maybe if again it's a windows derivitive, >you could employ a port of the unix time command which literally >times the exact start and stop of a given process. I'm not sure how >open these devices are though, my gut tells me not very but I've >been pleasantly surprised lately. I'm rather thinking that the >results may be similar enough that human measurement might not >provide enough resolution. At a minimum, precision is always a good >thing. (tm) > >:) >----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gammon" <jgammon1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:16 PM >Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS > > >>Sounds great, but to be fair, you should use a stopwatch to time >>the route creation in both cases and see how long each unit >>takes. Counting beeps is probably not accurate as they may go >>faster on the Voice Sense due to the faster processor. Jim >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@xxxxxxxxxxx> >>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:40 PM >>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >> >> >>>Hi. On the Voice Sense I put in Sendero as the virtual position >>>and the Lighthouse as the destination. It showed that the >>>destination was 64.37 miles southwest from Sendero. >>> >>>The Voice Sense plays progress tones, but I don't think they are >>>three seconds apart. I created the route using two slightly >>>methods. The first was using the micro hard drive CF card with the >>>whole West of the US loaded. The second test was with only the >>>California maps loaded in the flashdisk of the Voice Sense. In >>>both cases the result was the same. Creating a vehicle route took >>>57 beeps. The route had 364 waypoints. To be honest, this is >>>longer than what I would have thought. At least when I've created >>>many routes in Denver, Chicago, and Fort Wayne, 60 or so mile >>>routes do not seem to take as long, but I don't know if POIs or >>>map areas have something to do with this. >>> >>>So, there is the Voice Sense side of things. >>> >>>Kevin Chao said the following on 12/13/2007 1:14 PM: >>>>If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test. Let's say we >>>>just have the maps for California loaded and create a route from >>>>Sendero Group to the LightHouse and see what the >>>>difference in speed is. Raul, I am not sure if there is some >>>>progress tone on the Sense Nav. On the Sendero GPS, there is a >>>>swoosh that occurs every 3 >>>>seconds to indicate some progress. Starting: Sendero Group >>>>11188 Maple Lane Davis, CA Ending: LightHouse >>>>214 Van ness Ave San Francisco, CA Could someone perform the >>>>route calculation on the BrailleNote and someone on the >>>>VoiceSense? We then can compare notes. It might be faster on the >>>>VoiceSense as Alex suggested as there is more processing power >>>>and RAM on the VoiceSense. There are many variables that aren't >>>>accounted for, but this is just a general comparison. Kevin >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W >>>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM >>>>To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >>>> >>>> >>>>Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from >>>>sendero could >>>>tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster. >>>> >>>>Judy >>>> >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos >>>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM >>>>To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >>>> >>>> >>>>Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of things >>>>although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've only >>>>used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can comment >>>>on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user >>>>experiences, but none from me personally. >>>> >>>>Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM: >>>>>Hi, >>>>> >>>>>I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS and >>>>>the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the two. >>>>>Thanks in advance. >>>>> >>>>>Eric >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support >>>>Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 >>>>WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com >>>>FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support >>>Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 >>>WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com >>>FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com >> > Charles M. La Pierre CTO Sendero Group, LLC Lat. 37 15' 25" N Lon: 121 53' 04" W ------------------------------ From: "Kevin Chao" <g.unit89@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:06:44 -0800 Jim and Charles, very good points regarding the timing of the route creation. We don't need precision of a millionth of billionth of a second here. I created the route on the PK and it came out at 1 minute and 18 seconds. I hit the stop watch created the route then hit the stop watch off on the PK. We will see what the VoiceSense gets. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Charles LaPierre Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:53 PM To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS For this even if the difference is a second it won't matter that much its not like we are clocking FLOPS or something. A 60+ mile route will have enough of a difference that a stopwatch will be more that enough to determine how fast both calculate the same route. I would imagine that the Voice Sense having 100 MHz faster processor will hands down beat the BrailleNote in route creation, my guess is there will be probably a 5 to 10 second speed difference on the Voice Sense. Charles. At 06:41 PM 12/13/2007, you wrote: >Actually, neither are a good solution. Depending on the OS's (Did >someone say Windows CE?) you should run a benchmarking tool. Or, >maybe that's to complex, maybe if again it's a windows derivitive, >you could employ a port of the unix time command which literally >times the exact start and stop of a given process. I'm not sure how >open these devices are though, my gut tells me not very but I've >been pleasantly surprised lately. I'm rather thinking that the >results may be similar enough that human measurement might not >provide enough resolution. At a minimum, precision is always a good >thing. (tm) > >:) >----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gammon" <jgammon1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:16 PM >Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS > > >>Sounds great, but to be fair, you should use a stopwatch to time >>the route creation in both cases and see how long each unit >>takes. Counting beeps is probably not accurate as they may go >>faster on the Voice Sense due to the faster processor. Jim >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@xxxxxxxxxxx> >>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:40 PM >>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >> >> >>>Hi. On the Voice Sense I put in Sendero as the virtual position >>>and the Lighthouse as the destination. It showed that the >>>destination was 64.37 miles southwest from Sendero. >>> >>>The Voice Sense plays progress tones, but I don't think they are >>>three seconds apart. I created the route using two slightly >>>methods. The first was using the micro hard drive CF card with the >>>whole West of the US loaded. The second test was with only the >>>California maps loaded in the flashdisk of the Voice Sense. In >>>both cases the result was the same. Creating a vehicle route took >>>57 beeps. The route had 364 waypoints. To be honest, this is >>>longer than what I would have thought. At least when I've created >>>many routes in Denver, Chicago, and Fort Wayne, 60 or so mile >>>routes do not seem to take as long, but I don't know if POIs or >>>map areas have something to do with this. >>> >>>So, there is the Voice Sense side of things. >>> >>>Kevin Chao said the following on 12/13/2007 1:14 PM: >>>>If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test. Let's say we >>>>just have the maps for California loaded and create a route from >>>>Sendero Group to the LightHouse and see what the >>>>difference in speed is. Raul, I am not sure if there is some >>>>progress tone on the Sense Nav. On the Sendero GPS, there is a >>>>swoosh that occurs every 3 >>>>seconds to indicate some progress. Starting: Sendero Group >>>>11188 Maple Lane Davis, CA Ending: LightHouse >>>>214 Van ness Ave San Francisco, CA Could someone perform the >>>>route calculation on the BrailleNote and someone on the >>>>VoiceSense? We then can compare notes. It might be faster on the >>>>VoiceSense as Alex suggested as there is more processing power >>>>and RAM on the VoiceSense. There are many variables that aren't >>>>accounted for, but this is just a general comparison. Kevin >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W >>>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM >>>>To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >>>> >>>> >>>>Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from >>>>sendero could >>>>tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster. >>>> >>>>Judy >>>> >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos >>>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM >>>>To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >>>> >>>> >>>>Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of things >>>>although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've only >>>>used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can comment >>>>on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user >>>>experiences, but none from me personally. >>>> >>>>Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM: >>>>>Hi, >>>>> >>>>>I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS and >>>>>the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the two. >>>>>Thanks in advance. >>>>> >>>>>Eric >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support >>>>Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 >>>>WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com >>>>FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support >>>Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 >>>WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com >>>FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com >> > Charles M. La Pierre CTO Sendero Group, LLC Lat. 37 15' 25" N Lon: 121 53' 04" W ------------------------------ From: Chris Grabowski <chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:15:47 -0500 Hi all, I'll do the side by side tomorrow. Chris On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:06:44 -0800, "Kevin Chao" <g.unit89@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >Jim and Charles, very good points regarding the timing of the route creation. We don't need precision of a millionth of billionth of >a second here. I created the route on the PK and it came out at 1 minute and 18 seconds. I hit the stop watch created the route then >hit the stop watch off on the PK. > >We will see what the VoiceSense gets. > >Kevin > >-----Original Message----- >From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Charles LaPierre >Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:53 PM >To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS > n>For this even if the difference is a second it won't matter that much >its not like we are clocking FLOPS or something. A 60+ mile route >will have enough of a difference that a stopwatch will be more that >enough to determine how fast both calculate the same route. I would >imagine that the Voice Sense having 100 MHz faster processor will >hands down beat the BrailleNote in route creation, my guess is there >will be probably a 5 to 10 second speed difference on the Voice Sense. > >Charles. > > >At 06:41 PM 12/13/2007, you wrote: >>Actually, neither are a good solution. Depending on the OS's (Did >>someone say Windows CE?) you should run a benchmarking tool. Or, >>maybe that's to complex, maybe if again it's a windows derivitive, >>you could employ a port of the unix time command which literally >>times the exact start and stop of a given process. I'm not sure how >>open these devices are though, my gut tells me not very but I've >>been pleasantly surprised lately. I'm rather thinking that the >>results may be similar enough that human measurement might not >>provide enough resolution. At a minimum, precision is always a good >>thing. (tm) >> >>:) >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gammon" <jgammon1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:16 PM >>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >> >> >>>Sounds great, but to be fair, you should use a stopwatch to time >>>the route creation in both cases and see how long each unit >>>takes. Counting beeps is probably not accurate as they may go >>>faster on the Voice Sense due to the faster processor. Jim >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@xxxxxxxxxxx> >>>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:40 PM >>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >>> >>> >>>>Hi. On the Voice Sense I put in Sendero as the virtual position >>>>and the Lighthouse as the destination. It showed that the >>>>destination was 64.37 miles southwest from Sendero. >>>> >>>>The Voice Sense plays progress tones, but I don't think they are >>>>three seconds apart. I created the route using two slightly >>>>methods. The first was using the micro hard drive CF card with the >>>>whole West of the US loaded. The second test was with only the >>>>California maps loaded in the flashdisk of the Voice Sense. In >>>>both cases the result was the same. Creating a vehicle route took >>>>57 beeps. The route had 364 waypoints. To be honest, this is >>>>longer than what I would have thought. At least when I've created >>>>many routes in Denver, Chicago, and Fort Wayne, 60 or so mile >>>>routes do not seem to take as long, but I don't know if POIs or >>>>map areas have something to do with this. >>>> >>>>So, there is the Voice Sense side of things. >>>> >>>>Kevin Chao said the following on 12/13/2007 1:14 PM: >>>>>If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test. Let's say we >>>>>just have the maps for California loaded and create a route from >>>>>Sendero Group to the LightHouse and see what the >>>>>difference in speed is. Raul, I am not sure if there is some >>>>>progress tone on the Sense Nav. On the Sendero GPS, there is a >>>>>swoosh that occurs every 3 >>>>>seconds to indicate some progress. Starting: Sendero Group >>>>>11188 Maple Lane Davis, CA Ending: LightHouse >>>>>214 Van ness Ave San Francisco, CA Could someone perform the >>>>>route calculation on the BrailleNote and someone on the >>>>>VoiceSense? We then can compare notes. It might be faster on the >>>>>VoiceSense as Alex suggested as there is more processing power >>>>>and RAM on the VoiceSense. There are many variables that aren't >>>>>accounted for, but this is just a general comparison. Kevin >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W >>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM >>>>>To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from >>>>>sendero could >>>>>tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster. >>>>> >>>>>Judy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos >>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM >>>>>To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of things >>>>>although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've only >>>>>used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can comment >>>>>on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user >>>>>experiences, but none from me personally. >>>>> >>>>>Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM: >>>>>>Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>>I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS and >>>>>>the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the two. >>>>>>Thanks in advance. >>>>>> >>>>>>Eric >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support >>>>>Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 >>>>>WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com >>>>>FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support >>>>Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 >>>>WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com >>>>FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com >>> >> > >Charles M. La Pierre CTO >Sendero Group, LLC > >Lat. 37 15' 25" N Lon: 121 53' 04" W > > > > > > >__________ NOD32 2722 (20071214) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:21:06 -0500 From: Alex Parks <mehgcap@xxxxxxx> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS Besides neither device can run any software not writtenfor it by its manufacturer. Have a great day, Alex > ----- Original Message ----- >From: Charles LaPierre <charles@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Date sent: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:52:49 -0800 >Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >For this even if the difference is a second it won't matter that much >its not like we are clocking FLOPS or something. A 60+ mile route >will have enough of a difference that a stopwatch will be more that >enough to determine how fast both calculate the same route. I would >imagine that the Voice Sense having 100 MHz faster processor will >hands down beat the BrailleNote in route creation, my guess is there >will be probably a 5 to 10 second speed difference on the Voice Sense. >Charles. >At 06:41 PM 12/13/2007, you wrote: >>Actually, neither are a good solution. Depending on the OS's (Did >>someone say Windows CE?) you should run a benchmarking tool. Or, >>maybe that's to complex, maybe if again it's a windows derivitive, >>you could employ a port of the unix time command which literally >>times the exact start and stop of a given process. I'm not sure how >>open these devices are though, my gut tells me not very but I've >>been pleasantly surprised lately. I'm rather thinking that the >>results may be similar enough that human measurement might not >>provide enough resolution. At a minimum, precision is always a good >>thing. (tm) >>:) >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gammon" <jgammon1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:16 PM >>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >>>Sounds great, but to be fair, you should use a stopwatch to time >>>the route creation in both cases and see how long each unit >>>takes. Counting beeps is probably not accurate as they may go >>>faster on the Voice Sense due to the faster processor. Jim >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@xxxxxxxxxxx >>>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:40 PM >>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >>>>Hi. On the Voice Sense I put in Sendero as the virtual position >>>>and the Lighthouse as the destination. It showed that the >>>>destination was 64.37 miles southwest from Sendero. >>>>The Voice Sense plays progress tones, but I don't think they are >>>>three seconds apart. I created the route using two slightly >>>>methods. The first was using the micro hard drive CF card with the >>>>whole West of the US loaded. The second test was with only the >>>>California maps loaded in the flashdisk of the Voice Sense. In >>>>both cases the result was the same. Creating a vehicle route took >>>>57 beeps. The route had 364 waypoints. To be honest, this is >>>>longer than what I would have thought. At least when I've created >>>>many routes in Denver, Chicago, and Fort Wayne, 60 or so mile >>>>routes do not seem to take as long, but I don't know if POIs or >>>>map areas have something to do with this. >>>>So, there is the Voice Sense side of things. >>>>Kevin Chao said the following on 12/13/2007 1:14 PM: >>>>>If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test. Let's say we >>>>>just have the maps for California loaded and create a route from >>>>>Sendero Group to the LightHouse and see what the >>>>>difference in speed is. Raul, I am not sure if there is some >>>>>progress tone on the Sense Nav. On the Sendero GPS, there is a >>>>>swoosh that occurs every 3 >>>>>seconds to indicate some progress. Starting: Sendero Group >>>>>11188 Maple Lane Davis, CA Ending: LightHouse >>>>>214 Van ness Ave San Francisco, CA Could someone perform the >>>>>route calculation on the BrailleNote and someone on the >>>>>VoiceSense? We then can compare notes. It might be faster on the >>>>>VoiceSense as Alex suggested as there is more processing power >>>>>and RAM on the VoiceSense. There are many variables that aren't >>>>>accounted for, but this is just a general comparison. Kevin >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W >>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM >>>>>To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >>>>>Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from >>>>>sendero could >>>>>tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster. >>>>>Judy >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos >>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM >>>>>To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >>>>>Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of things >>>>>although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've only >>>>>used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can comment >>>>>on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user >>>>>experiences, but none from me personally. >>>>>Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM: >>>>>>Hi, >>>>>>I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS and >>>>>>the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the two. >>>>>>Thanks in advance. >>>>>>Eric >>>>>-- >>>>>Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support >>>>>Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 >>>>>WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com >>>>>FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com >>>>-- >>>>Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support >>>>Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 >>>>WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com >>>>FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com >Charles M. La Pierre CTO >Sendero Group, LLC >Lat. 37 15' 25" N Lon: 121 53' 04" W ------------------------------ From: "Scott Granados" <gsgranados@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:13:55 -0800 Actually, I've heard conflicting reports on that, but this is probably off topic to this list. We'll see the results in the side by side tomorrow. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Parks" <mehgcap@xxxxxxx> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 7:21 PM Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS > Besides neither device can run any software not writtenfor it by its > manufacturer. > > Have a great day, > Alex > >> ----- Original Message ----- >>From: Charles LaPierre <charles@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>Date sent: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:52:49 -0800 >>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS > >>For this even if the difference is a second it won't matter that > much >>its not like we are clocking FLOPS or something. A 60+ mile > route >>will have enough of a difference that a stopwatch will be more > that >>enough to determine how fast both calculate the same route. I > would >>imagine that the Voice Sense having 100 MHz faster processor will >>hands down beat the BrailleNote in route creation, my guess is > there >>will be probably a 5 to 10 second speed difference on the Voice > Sense. > >>Charles. > > >>At 06:41 PM 12/13/2007, you wrote: >>>Actually, neither are a good solution. Depending on the OS's > (Did >>>someone say Windows CE?) you should run a benchmarking tool. Or, >>>maybe that's to complex, maybe if again it's a windows > derivitive, >>>you could employ a port of the unix time command which literally >>>times the exact start and stop of a given process. I'm not sure > how >>>open these devices are though, my gut tells me not very but I've >>>been pleasantly surprised lately. I'm rather thinking that the >>>results may be similar enough that human measurement might not >>>provide enough resolution. At a minimum, precision is always a > good >>>thing. (tm) > >>>:) >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gammon" > <jgammon1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:16 PM >>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS > > >>>>Sounds great, but to be fair, you should use a stopwatch to time >>>>the route creation in both cases and see how long each unit >>>>takes. Counting beeps is probably not accurate as they may go >>>>faster on the Voice Sense due to the faster processor. Jim > >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Raul A. Gallegos" > <raul@xxxxxxxxxxx >>>>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:40 PM >>>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS > > >>>>>Hi. On the Voice Sense I put in Sendero as the virtual position >>>>>and the Lighthouse as the destination. It showed that the >>>>>destination was 64.37 miles southwest from Sendero. > >>>>>The Voice Sense plays progress tones, but I don't think they are >>>>>three seconds apart. I created the route using two slightly >>>>>methods. The first was using the micro hard drive CF card with > the >>>>>whole West of the US loaded. The second test was with only the >>>>>California maps loaded in the flashdisk of the Voice Sense. In >>>>>both cases the result was the same. Creating a vehicle route > took >>>>>57 beeps. The route had 364 waypoints. To be honest, this is >>>>>longer than what I would have thought. At least when I've > created >>>>>many routes in Denver, Chicago, and Fort Wayne, 60 or so mile >>>>>routes do not seem to take as long, but I don't know if POIs or >>>>>map areas have something to do with this. > >>>>>So, there is the Voice Sense side of things. > >>>>>Kevin Chao said the following on 12/13/2007 1:14 PM: >>>>>>If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test. Let's say we >>>>>>just have the maps for California loaded and create a route from >>>>>>Sendero Group to the LightHouse and see what the >>>>>>difference in speed is. Raul, I am not sure if there is some >>>>>>progress tone on the Sense Nav. On the Sendero GPS, there is a >>>>>>swoosh that occurs every 3 >>>>>>seconds to indicate some progress. Starting: Sendero Group >>>>>>11188 Maple Lane Davis, CA Ending: LightHouse >>>>>>214 Van ness Ave San Francisco, CA Could someone perform the >>>>>>route calculation on the BrailleNote and someone on the >>>>>>VoiceSense? We then can compare notes. It might be faster on the >>>>>>VoiceSense as Alex suggested as there is more processing power >>>>>>and RAM on the VoiceSense. There are many variables that aren't >>>>>>accounted for, but this is just a general comparison. Kevin >>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W >>>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM >>>>>>To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS > > >>>>>>Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from >>>>>>sendero could >>>>>>tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster. > >>>>>>Judy > > >>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A. > Gallegos >>>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM >>>>>>To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS > > >>>>>>Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of > things >>>>>>although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've > only >>>>>>used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can > comment >>>>>>on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user >>>>>>experiences, but none from me personally. > >>>>>>Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM: >>>>>>>Hi, > >>>>>>>I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS > and >>>>>>>the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the > two. >>>>>>>Thanks in advance. > >>>>>>>Eric > > >>>>>>-- >>>>>>Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support >>>>>>Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 >>>>>>WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com >>>>>>FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com > > > > > >>>>>-- >>>>>Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support >>>>>Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 >>>>>WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com >>>>>FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com > > > >>Charles M. La Pierre CTO >>Sendero Group, LLC > >>Lat. 37 15' 25" N Lon: 121 53' 04" W > > > > ------------------------------ From: "Tina B." <tinabir@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: gps inside? Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:35:21 -0700 Thanks Alex that makes sense. for anyone who has been able to get a signal indoors, how did it do could use really use it as affectively as you can outside. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Parks" <mehgcap@xxxxxxx> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 5:48 PM Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: gps inside? > Gps relies on satellites, whose signals are blocked by buildings. You may > be able to pick up a signal indoors but there is no way you will be able > to navigate a building with it. > A jump drive would work but I recommend a cf or sd card which can be left > in the unit more easily and does not stick out. The maps come on an 8gb > card, but you can get anywhere from a 1gb to 16gb. What size you get > depends on how many maps you will need at a time and which maps they > are--the Maine maps are much smaller than the California maps. > > Have a great day, > Alex > >> ----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Tina B." <tinabir@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>Date sent: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:24:06 -0700 >>Subject: [gps-talkusers] gps inside? > >>Hi. Does the braille note gps work indoors yet or is that being > planned? >>Also, if I get a jump drive for my m-power , can I save the maps > for the US >>on to that drive or what kind of device are they on like a cf > card or an sd >>card? I know you can get those little drives with several gigs > have a friend >>who just got a 3 or 4 gig one so that is what made me wonder and > if I can, >>what gig should I go with just to be sure there is enough space? >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@xxxxxxxxxxx >>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:40 PM >>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS > > >>> Hi. On the Voice Sense I put in Sendero as the virtual position > and the >>> Lighthouse as the destination. It showed that the destination > was 64.37 >>> miles southwest from Sendero. > >>> The Voice Sense plays progress tones, but I don't think they are > three >>> seconds apart. I created the route using two slightly methods. > The first >>> was using the micro hard drive CF card with the whole West of > the US >>> loaded. The second test was with only the California maps > loaded in the >>> flashdisk of the Voice Sense. In both cases the result was the > same. >>> Creating a vehicle route took 57 beeps. The route had 364 > waypoints. To be >>> honest, this is longer than what I would have thought. At least > when I've >>> created many routes in Denver, Chicago, and Fort Wayne, 60 or so > mile >>> routes do not seem to take as long, but I don't know if POIs or > map areas >>> have something to do with this. > >>> So, there is the Voice Sense side of things. > >>> Kevin Chao said the following on 12/13/2007 1:14 PM: >>>> If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test. Let's say we > just have >>>> the maps for California loaded and create a route from Sendero > Group to >>>> the LightHouse and see what the >>>> difference in speed is. Raul, I am not sure if there is some > progress >>>> tone on the Sense Nav. On the Sendero GPS, there is a swoosh > that occurs >>>> every 3 >>>> seconds to indicate some progress. Starting: Sendero Group >>>> 11188 Maple Lane Davis, CA Ending: LightHouse >>>> 214 Van ness Ave San Francisco, CA Could someone perform the > route >>>> calculation on the BrailleNote and someone on the VoiceSense? We > then can >>>> compare notes. It might be faster on the VoiceSense as Alex > suggested as >>>> there is more processing power and RAM on the VoiceSense. There > are many >>>> variables that aren't accounted for, but this is just a general >>>> comparison. Kevin -----Original Message----- >>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM >>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS > > >>>> Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from > sendero >>>> could >>>> tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster. > >>>> Judy > > >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A. > Gallegos >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM >>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS > > >>>> Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of > things >>>> although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've > only >>>> used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can > comment >>>> on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user >>>> experiences, but none from me personally. > >>>> Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM: >>>>> Hi, > >>>>> I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote > GPS and >>>>> the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the > two. >>>>> Thanks in advance. > >>>>> Eric > > >>>> -- >>>> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support >>>> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 >>>> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com >>>> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com > > > > > > >>> -- >>> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support >>> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 >>> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com >>> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ From: "Tina B." <tinabir@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: gps inside? Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:38:12 -0700 I see. how is it then that your cell phone will work indoors for the most part when they get everything thru satellites although seems to me I remember reading that they are really just radios so maybe that is it. Interesting. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Granados" <gsgranados@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 5:46 PM Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: gps inside? > Tina, just a quick primer on how GPS works to answer your first question. > There is a constilation of space based platforms that the defense > department put up for the purposes of navigation in military applications. > This system uses very carefully controled time sources and a receiver > which measures the deviation of signal received from one of several birds > that your receiver locks on to at any given time. You need I believe it's > 4 birds at a minimum to have a fix in 3 dimentions. (someone pipe in if > I'm way off here) So, can you use the GPS inside? Not so well. Yes, > mine comes on in my house but there's no floors above my position and the > roof allows some signal to pass. This is not normally the case. In most > buildings (like where I work for example) the roof and materials totally > obstruct the signal. In fact, I work in a lab where we use GPS signals > for very careful timing. We have to pass an antenna up through the roof > and calebrate it carefully, with the position exactly of each sattellite > so that we can generate really accurate time signals. My point is that > you have no signal to work with inside a building typically so it's not > possible to get a fix, something your receiver needs to transmit position > data to the Sindero package. If you had another means of calculating a > fix either with a gyroscope or something that can calculate movement until > the signal is reacquired you might have something but as it stands now I > don't think it's workable indoors for the most part. I'm sure someone > from Sindero will detail this better but this is my understanding. > > Thanks > Scott > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tina B." <tinabir@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 4:24 PM > Subject: [gps-talkusers] gps inside? > > >> Hi. Does the braille note gps work indoors yet or is that being planned? >> Also, if I get a jump drive for my m-power , can I save the maps for the >> US on to that drive or what kind of device are they on like a cf card or >> an sd card? I know you can get those little drives with several gigs have >> a friend who just got a 3 or 4 gig one so that is what made me wonder and >> if I can, what gig should I go with just to be sure there is enough >> space? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@xxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:40 PM >> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >> >> >>> Hi. On the Voice Sense I put in Sendero as the virtual position and the >>> Lighthouse as the destination. It showed that the destination was 64.37 >>> miles southwest from Sendero. >>> >>> The Voice Sense plays progress tones, but I don't think they are three >>> seconds apart. I created the route using two slightly methods. The first >>> was using the micro hard drive CF card with the whole West of the US >>> loaded. The second test was with only the California maps loaded in the >>> flashdisk of the Voice Sense. In both cases the result was the same. >>> Creating a vehicle route took 57 beeps. The route had 364 waypoints. To >>> be honest, this is longer than what I would have thought. At least when >>> I've created many routes in Denver, Chicago, and Fort Wayne, 60 or so >>> mile routes do not seem to take as long, but I don't know if POIs or map >>> areas have something to do with this. >>> >>> So, there is the Voice Sense side of things. >>> >>> Kevin Chao said the following on 12/13/2007 1:14 PM: >>>> If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test. Let's say we just >>>> have the maps for California loaded and create a route from Sendero >>>> Group to the LightHouse and see what the >>>> difference in speed is. Raul, I am not sure if there is some progress >>>> tone on the Sense Nav. On the Sendero GPS, there is a swoosh that >>>> occurs every 3 >>>> seconds to indicate some progress. Starting: Sendero Group >>>> 11188 Maple Lane Davis, CA Ending: LightHouse >>>> 214 Van ness Ave San Francisco, CA Could someone perform the route >>>> calculation on the BrailleNote and someone on the VoiceSense? We then >>>> can compare notes. It might be faster on the VoiceSense as Alex >>>> suggested as there is more processing power and RAM on the VoiceSense. >>>> There are many variables that aren't accounted for, but this is just a >>>> general comparison. Kevin -----Original Message----- >>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM >>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >>>> >>>> >>>> Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from sendero >>>> could >>>> tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster. >>>> >>>> Judy >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A. >>>> Gallegos >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM >>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of things >>>> although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've only >>>> used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can comment >>>> on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user >>>> experiences, but none from me personally. >>>> >>>> Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS and >>>>> the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the two. >>>>> Thanks in advance. >>>>> >>>>> Eric >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support >>>> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 >>>> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com >>>> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support >>> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 >>> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com >>> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ From: "Scott Granados" <gsgranados@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: gps inside? Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:29:13 -0800 In our lab we detect a lot of reflections and error resulting from these reflections (flat surfaces etc). Depends on the materials involved. where I am for example there are raised floors and lots of metal. Wooden or natural coverings will have drastically different effects but that's probably outside the scope of this thread. The more clear your view to the sky the better. Michael has spoken clearly in the past on multipath for example and the effects there. Just remember this is all radio at it's core. Anything you learned about radio signals in your sixth grade science class (back when you got a great education from the public schools, pointing at certain members of this list) applies here. So when you block a signal you render it less effective in any form. Both the Holux and US-Globalsat sites have good information about the basics of GPS which apply to all tools including Sindero. The Government also maintains both highly technical and consumer oriented information. It's an amazing technology! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tina B." <tinabir@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 7:35 PM Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: gps inside? > Thanks Alex that makes sense. for anyone who has been able to get a > signal indoors, how did it do could use really use it as affectively as > you can outside. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Parks" <mehgcap@xxxxxxx> > To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 5:48 PM > Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: gps inside? > > >> Gps relies on satellites, whose signals are blocked by buildings. You >> may be able to pick up a signal indoors but there is no way you will be >> able to navigate a building with it. >> A jump drive would work but I recommend a cf or sd card which can be left >> in the unit more easily and does not stick out. The maps come on an 8gb >> card, but you can get anywhere from a 1gb to 16gb. What size you get >> depends on how many maps you will need at a time and which maps they >> are--the Maine maps are much smaller than the California maps. >> >> Have a great day, >> Alex >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Tina B." <tinabir@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>Date sent: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:24:06 -0700 >>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] gps inside? >> >>>Hi. Does the braille note gps work indoors yet or is that being >> planned? >>>Also, if I get a jump drive for my m-power , can I save the maps >> for the US >>>on to that drive or what kind of device are they on like a cf >> card or an sd >>>card? I know you can get those little drives with several gigs >> have a friend >>>who just got a 3 or 4 gig one so that is what made me wonder and >> if I can, >>>what gig should I go with just to be sure there is enough space? >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@xxxxxxxxxxx >>>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:40 PM >>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >> >> >>>> Hi. On the Voice Sense I put in Sendero as the virtual position >> and the >>>> Lighthouse as the destination. It showed that the destination >> was 64.37 >>>> miles southwest from Sendero. >> >>>> The Voice Sense plays progress tones, but I don't think they are >> three >>>> seconds apart. I created the route using two slightly methods. >> The first >>>> was using the micro hard drive CF card with the whole West of >> the US >>>> loaded. The second test was with only the California maps >> loaded in the >>>> flashdisk of the Voice Sense. In both cases the result was the >> same. >>>> Creating a vehicle route took 57 beeps. The route had 364 >> waypoints. To be >>>> honest, this is longer than what I would have thought. At least >> when I've >>>> created many routes in Denver, Chicago, and Fort Wayne, 60 or so >> mile >>>> routes do not seem to take as long, but I don't know if POIs or >> map areas >>>> have something to do with this. >> >>>> So, there is the Voice Sense side of things. >> >>>> Kevin Chao said the following on 12/13/2007 1:14 PM: >>>>> If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test. Let's say we >> just have >>>>> the maps for California loaded and create a route from Sendero >> Group to >>>>> the LightHouse and see what the >>>>> difference in speed is. Raul, I am not sure if there is some >> progress >>>>> tone on the Sense Nav. On the Sendero GPS, there is a swoosh >> that occurs >>>>> every 3 >>>>> seconds to indicate some progress. Starting: Sendero Group >>>>> 11188 Maple Lane Davis, CA Ending: LightHouse >>>>> 214 Van ness Ave San Francisco, CA Could someone perform the >> route >>>>> calculation on the BrailleNote and someone on the VoiceSense? We >> then can >>>>> compare notes. It might be faster on the VoiceSense as Alex >> suggested as >>>>> there is more processing power and RAM on the VoiceSense. There >> are many >>>>> variables that aren't accounted for, but this is just a general >>>>> comparison. Kevin -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W >>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM >>>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >> >> >>>>> Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from >> sendero >>>>> could >>>>> tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster. >> >>>>> Judy >> >> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A. >> Gallegos >>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM >>>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >> >> >>>>> Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of >> things >>>>> although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've >> only >>>>> used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can >> comment >>>>> on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user >>>>> experiences, but none from me personally. >> >>>>> Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM: >>>>>> Hi, >> >>>>>> I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote >> GPS and >>>>>> the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the >> two. >>>>>> Thanks in advance. >> >>>>>> Eric >> >> >>>>> -- >>>>> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support >>>>> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 >>>>> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com >>>>> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> -- >>>> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support >>>> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 >>>> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com >>>> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ From: "Scott Granados" <gsgranados@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: gps inside? Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:31:43 -0800 Tina, GPS uses spaced based platforms that operate on the 1.5 GHZ frequency ranges. These are similar in frequency to cell (a little longer length) but oriented from the sky. Cell phones use ground based towers that are tied directly back to phone switches. You don't use much sattellite service in the cell network. There are space based phone systems but they are very expensive and used most recognizably by journalists in war zones etc. Totally different technologies. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tina B." <tinabir@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 7:38 PM Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: gps inside? >I see. how is it then that your cell phone will work indoors for the most >part when they get everything thru satellites although seems to me I >remember reading that they are really just radios so maybe that is it. >Interesting. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Granados" <gsgranados@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 5:46 PM > Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: gps inside? > > >> Tina, just a quick primer on how GPS works to answer your first question. >> There is a constilation of space based platforms that the defense >> department put up for the purposes of navigation in military >> applications. This system uses very carefully controled time sources and >> a receiver which measures the deviation of signal received from one of >> several birds that your receiver locks on to at any given time. You need >> I believe it's 4 birds at a minimum to have a fix in 3 dimentions. >> (someone pipe in if I'm way off here) So, can you use the GPS inside? >> Not so well. Yes, mine comes on in my house but there's no floors above >> my position and the roof allows some signal to pass. This is not >> normally the case. In most buildings (like where I work for example) the >> roof and materials totally obstruct the signal. In fact, I work in a lab >> where we use GPS signals for very careful timing. We have to pass an >> antenna up through the roof and calebrate it carefully, with the position >> exactly of each sattellite so that we can generate really accurate time >> signals. My point is that you have no signal to work with inside a >> building typically so it's not possible to get a fix, something your >> receiver needs to transmit position data to the Sindero package. If you >> had another means of calculating a fix either with a gyroscope or >> something that can calculate movement until the signal is reacquired you >> might have something but as it stands now I don't think it's workable >> indoors for the most part. I'm sure someone from Sindero will detail >> this better but this is my understanding. >> >> Thanks >> Scott >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tina B." <tinabir@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 4:24 PM >> Subject: [gps-talkusers] gps inside? >> >> >>> Hi. Does the braille note gps work indoors yet or is that being planned? >>> Also, if I get a jump drive for my m-power , can I save the maps for the >>> US on to that drive or what kind of device are they on like a cf card or >>> an sd card? I know you can get those little drives with several gigs >>> have a friend who just got a 3 or 4 gig one so that is what made me >>> wonder and if I can, what gig should I go with just to be sure there is >>> enough space? >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@xxxxxxxxxxx> >>> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:40 PM >>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >>> >>> >>>> Hi. On the Voice Sense I put in Sendero as the virtual position and the >>>> Lighthouse as the destination. It showed that the destination was 64.37 >>>> miles southwest from Sendero. >>>> >>>> The Voice Sense plays progress tones, but I don't think they are three >>>> seconds apart. I created the route using two slightly methods. The >>>> first was using the micro hard drive CF card with the whole West of the >>>> US loaded. The second test was with only the California maps loaded in >>>> the flashdisk of the Voice Sense. In both cases the result was the >>>> same. Creating a vehicle route took 57 beeps. The route had 364 >>>> waypoints. To be honest, this is longer than what I would have thought. >>>> At least when I've created many routes in Denver, Chicago, and Fort >>>> Wayne, 60 or so mile routes do not seem to take as long, but I don't >>>> know if POIs or map areas have something to do with this. >>>> >>>> So, there is the Voice Sense side of things. >>>> >>>> Kevin Chao said the following on 12/13/2007 1:14 PM: >>>>> If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test. Let's say we just >>>>> have the maps for California loaded and create a route from Sendero >>>>> Group to the LightHouse and see what the >>>>> difference in speed is. Raul, I am not sure if there is some progress >>>>> tone on the Sense Nav. On the Sendero GPS, there is a swoosh that >>>>> occurs every 3 >>>>> seconds to indicate some progress. Starting: Sendero Group >>>>> 11188 Maple Lane Davis, CA Ending: LightHouse >>>>> 214 Van ness Ave San Francisco, CA Could someone perform the route >>>>> calculation on the BrailleNote and someone on the VoiceSense? We then >>>>> can compare notes. It might be faster on the VoiceSense as Alex >>>>> suggested as there is more processing power and RAM on the VoiceSense. >>>>> There are many variables that aren't accounted for, but this is just a >>>>> general comparison. Kevin -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W >>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM >>>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from sendero >>>>> could >>>>> tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster. >>>>> >>>>> Judy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A. >>>>> Gallegos >>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM >>>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of things >>>>> although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've only >>>>> used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can >>>>> comment >>>>> on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user >>>>> experiences, but none from me personally. >>>>> >>>>> Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM: >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS and >>>>>> the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the two. >>>>>> Thanks in advance. >>>>>> >>>>>> Eric >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support >>>>> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 >>>>> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com >>>>> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support >>>> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 >>>> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com >>>> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ From: "Kevin Chao" <g.unit89@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: gps inside? Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:44:09 -0800 I personally have managed to get a signal in many indoor malls and marked various user POIs of the mall entrance for shops and the food court and a host of other points. The major difference with this is that instead of being within 30 feet of your destination and your heading being semi-correct, the heading is flying all over the planet and the destination is more within a 100 feet range. This proximity and heading information will differ from receiver to receiver and from building to building. This is where outdoor malls are nice as it is possible to mark the stores and to be brought within 30 feet of the store upon return. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tina B. Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 7:35 PM To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: gps inside? Thanks Alex that makes sense. for anyone who has been able to get a signal indoors, how did it do could use really use it as affectively as you can outside. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Parks" <mehgcap@xxxxxxx> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 5:48 PM Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: gps inside? > Gps relies on satellites, whose signals are blocked by buildings. You may > be able to pick up a signal indoors but there is no way you will be able > to navigate a building with it. > A jump drive would work but I recommend a cf or sd card which can be left > in the unit more easily and does not stick out. The maps come on an 8gb > card, but you can get anywhere from a 1gb to 16gb. What size you get > depends on how many maps you will need at a time and which maps they > are--the Maine maps are much smaller than the California maps. > > Have a great day, > Alex > >> ----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Tina B." <tinabir@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>Date sent: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:24:06 -0700 >>Subject: [gps-talkusers] gps inside? > >>Hi. Does the braille note gps work indoors yet or is that being > planned? >>Also, if I get a jump drive for my m-power , can I save the maps > for the US >>on to that drive or what kind of device are they on like a cf > card or an sd >>card? I know you can get those little drives with several gigs > have a friend >>who just got a 3 or 4 gig one so that is what made me wonder and > if I can, >>what gig should I go with just to be sure there is enough space? >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@xxxxxxxxxxx >>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:40 PM >>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS > > >>> Hi. On the Voice Sense I put in Sendero as the virtual position > and the >>> Lighthouse as the destination. It showed that the destination > was 64.37 >>> miles southwest from Sendero. > >>> The Voice Sense plays progress tones, but I don't think they are > three >>> seconds apart. I created the route using two slightly methods. > The first >>> was using the micro hard drive CF card with the whole West of > the US >>> loaded. The second test was with only the California maps > loaded in the >>> flashdisk of the Voice Sense. In both cases the result was the > same. >>> Creating a vehicle route took 57 beeps. The route had 364 > waypoints. To be >>> honest, this is longer than what I would have thought. At least > when I've >>> created many routes in Denver, Chicago, and Fort Wayne, 60 or so > mile >>> routes do not seem to take as long, but I don't know if POIs or > map areas >>> have something to do with this. > >>> So, there is the Voice Sense side of things. > >>> Kevin Chao said the following on 12/13/2007 1:14 PM: >>>> If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test. Let's say we > just have >>>> the maps for California loaded and create a route from Sendero > Group to >>>> the LightHouse and see what the >>>> difference in speed is. Raul, I am not sure if there is some > progress >>>> tone on the Sense Nav. On the Sendero GPS, there is a swoosh > that occurs >>>> every 3 >>>> seconds to indicate some progress. Starting: Sendero Group >>>> 11188 Maple Lane Davis, CA Ending: LightHouse >>>> 214 Van ness Ave San Francisco, CA Could someone perform the > route >>>> calculation on the BrailleNote and someone on the VoiceSense? We > then can >>>> compare notes. It might be faster on the VoiceSense as Alex > suggested as >>>> there is more processing power and RAM on the VoiceSense. There > are many >>>> variables that aren't accounted for, but this is just a general >>>> comparison. Kevin -----Original Message----- >>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM >>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS > > >>>> Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from > sendero >>>> could >>>> tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster. > >>>> Judy > > >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A. > Gallegos >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM >>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS > > >>>> Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of > things >>>> although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've > only >>>> used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can > comment >>>> on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user >>>> experiences, but none from me personally. > >>>> Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM: >>>>> Hi, > >>>>> I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote > GPS and >>>>> the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the > two. >>>>> Thanks in advance. > >>>>> Eric > > >>>> -- >>>> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support >>>> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 >>>> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com >>>> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com > > > > > > >>> -- >>> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support >>> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 >>> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com >>> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ From: "Jim Gammon" <jgammon1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:52:31 -0800 Now there you go! What we need here is a little rationality! Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Grabowski" <chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 7:15 PM Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS > Hi all, > I'll do the side by side tomorrow. > Chris > On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:06:44 -0800, "Kevin Chao" > <g.unit89@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >>Jim and Charles, very good points regarding the timing of the route >>creation. We don't need precision of a millionth of billionth of >>a second here. I created the route on the PK and it came out at 1 minute >>and 18 seconds. I hit the stop watch created the route then >>hit the stop watch off on the PK. >> >>We will see what the VoiceSense gets. >> >>Kevin >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Charles LaPierre >>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:53 PM >>To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >> > n>For this even if the difference is a second it won't matter that > much >>its not like we are clocking FLOPS or something. A 60+ mile route >>will have enough of a difference that a stopwatch will be more that >>enough to determine how fast both calculate the same route. I would >>imagine that the Voice Sense having 100 MHz faster processor will >>hands down beat the BrailleNote in route creation, my guess is there >>will be probably a 5 to 10 second speed difference on the Voice Sense. >> >>Charles. >> >> >>At 06:41 PM 12/13/2007, you wrote: >>>Actually, neither are a good solution. Depending on the OS's (Did >>>someone say Windows CE?) you should run a benchmarking tool. Or, >>>maybe that's to complex, maybe if again it's a windows derivitive, >>>you could employ a port of the unix time command which literally >>>times the exact start and stop of a given process. I'm not sure how >>>open these devices are though, my gut tells me not very but I've >>>been pleasantly surprised lately. I'm rather thinking that the >>>results may be similar enough that human measurement might not >>>provide enough resolution. At a minimum, precision is always a good >>>thing. (tm) >>> >>>:) >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gammon" <jgammon1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:16 PM >>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >>> >>> >>>>Sounds great, but to be fair, you should use a stopwatch to time >>>>the route creation in both cases and see how long each unit >>>>takes. Counting beeps is probably not accurate as they may go >>>>faster on the Voice Sense due to the faster processor. Jim >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@xxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:40 PM >>>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >>>> >>>> >>>>>Hi. On the Voice Sense I put in Sendero as the virtual position >>>>>and the Lighthouse as the destination. It showed that the >>>>>destination was 64.37 miles southwest from Sendero. >>>>> >>>>>The Voice Sense plays progress tones, but I don't think they are >>>>>three seconds apart. I created the route using two slightly >>>>>methods. The first was using the micro hard drive CF card with the >>>>>whole West of the US loaded. The second test was with only the >>>>>California maps loaded in the flashdisk of the Voice Sense. In >>>>>both cases the result was the same. Creating a vehicle route took >>>>>57 beeps. The route had 364 waypoints. To be honest, this is >>>>>longer than what I would have thought. At least when I've created >>>>>many routes in Denver, Chicago, and Fort Wayne, 60 or so mile >>>>>routes do not seem to take as long, but I don't know if POIs or >>>>>map areas have something to do with this. >>>>> >>>>>So, there is the Voice Sense side of things. >>>>> >>>>>Kevin Chao said the following on 12/13/2007 1:14 PM: >>>>>>If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test. Let's say we >>>>>>just have the maps for California loaded and create a route from >>>>>>Sendero Group to the LightHouse and see what the >>>>>>difference in speed is. Raul, I am not sure if there is some >>>>>>progress tone on the Sense Nav. On the Sendero GPS, there is a >>>>>>swoosh that occurs every 3 >>>>>>seconds to indicate some progress. Starting: Sendero Group >>>>>>11188 Maple Lane Davis, CA Ending: LightHouse >>>>>>214 Van ness Ave San Francisco, CA Could someone perform the >>>>>>route calculation on the BrailleNote and someone on the >>>>>>VoiceSense? We then can compare notes. It might be faster on the >>>>>>VoiceSense as Alex suggested as there is more processing power >>>>>>and RAM on the VoiceSense. There are many variables that aren't >>>>>>accounted for, but this is just a general comparison. Kevin >>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W >>>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM >>>>>>To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from >>>>>>sendero could >>>>>>tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster. >>>>>> >>>>>>Judy >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A. >>>>>>Gallegos >>>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM >>>>>>To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of things >>>>>>although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've only >>>>>>used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can >>>>>>comment >>>>>>on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user >>>>>>experiences, but none from me personally. >>>>>> >>>>>>Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM: >>>>>>>Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS and >>>>>>>the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the two. >>>>>>>Thanks in advance. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Eric >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>-- >>>>>>Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support >>>>>>Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 >>>>>>WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com >>>>>>FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support >>>>>Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608 >>>>>WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com >>>>>FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com >>>> >>> >> >>Charles M. La Pierre CTO >>Sendero Group, LLC >> >>Lat. 37 15' 25" N Lon: 121 53' 04" W >> >> >> >> >> >> >>__________ NOD32 2722 (20071214) Information __________ >> >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>http://www.eset.com >> > ------------------------------ End of gps-talkusers Digest V4 #311 ***********************************