[gps-talkusers] Re: gps-talkusers Digest V4 #311
- From: "O'Farrell, Catherine J." <Catherine.O'Farrell@xxxxxx>
- To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:50:04 -0500
Catherine O'Farrell COMS, CVRT
Southeastern Blind Rehabilitation Center
VA Medical Center
700 South 19th Street
Birmingham, AL 35233
(205) 933-8101 Ext. 5023
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gps-talkusers Digest Thu, 13 Dec 2007 Volume: 04 Issue: 311
In This Issue:
[gps-talkusers] Re: what receivers are shipping?
[gps-talkusers] Re: what receivers are shipping?
[gps-talkusers] Re: what receivers are shipping?
[gps-talkusers] BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
[gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
[gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
[gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
[gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
[gps-talkusers] Sindero Performance was Re: Re:
BrailleNote
[gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
[gps-talkusers] gps inside?
[gps-talkusers] Re: gps inside?
[gps-talkusers] Re: gps inside?
[gps-talkusers] Re: gps inside?
[gps-talkusers] e: gps inside?
[gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
[gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
[gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
[gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
[gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
[gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
[gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
[gps-talkusers] Re: gps inside?
[gps-talkusers] Re: gps inside?
[gps-talkusers] Re: gps inside?
[gps-talkusers] Re: gps inside?
[gps-talkusers] Re: gps inside?
[gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
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From: "Tina B." <tinabir@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: what receivers are shipping?
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:07:43 -0700
okay thanks
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Gammon" <jgammon1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:26 PM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: what receivers are shipping?
> If you bought from Sendero, then it's the Holux M-1000, a terrific
> receiver with twice the battery life as the Holux 236, at around 17
hours,
> much better acquisition time, and it will give you slower movement
speeds
> as well, like around 1 mph or so whereas the Holux 236 does not do
that.
> At least mine never would. So, it's the Holux M-1000, seems the best
at
> this time.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tina B." <tinabir@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 7:56 PM
> Subject: [gps-talkusers] what receivers are shipping?
>
>
>>I called today to check on the price of my upgrade if it doesn't come
with
>>the m-power, bt forgot to check on the types of receivers available.
What
>>ones are offered now and are they pretty easy to use and are they all
>>bluetooth? I thought a long ttime ago I'd heard the earthmate is
really
>>simple to use, of course i'll use my wired megellan for a while if i
have
>>to, hopefully i could get the receiver later with a upgrade? anyone
know?
>>but wanted to know what goes out now with the softare. I'd just be
glad to
>>have software with maps! Mine doesn't which is a big reason why i
never
>>played much with it.
>>
>>
>
>
>
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From: "Tina B." <tinabir@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: what receivers are shipping?
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:10:44 -0700
thanks tha tells me wht i needed to know.
----- Original Message -----
From: "J.J. Meddaugh" <jj@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 9:03 PM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: what receivers are shipping?
> Hello Tina. The current Bluetooth is the Holux M-1000. It's $99 on its
own
> from Sendero, which includes a custom case and other accessories. You
> won't find it much cheaper with that case anywhere else online.
> Personally, in using the M-1000 I get WAAS and 10-15 foot accuracy
just
> about anywhere I've gone.
> No special configuration is required to use the unit.
> HTH
>
> J.J.
> www.BlindBargains.com
> Deals, news, and resources for the blind and visually impaired
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tina B." <tinabir@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:56 PM
> Subject: [gps-talkusers] what receivers are shipping?
>
>
>>I called today to check on the price of my upgrade if it doesn't come
with
>>the m-power, bt forgot to check on the types of receivers available.
What
>>ones are offered now and are they pretty easy to use and are they all
>>bluetooth? I thought a long ttime ago I'd heard the earthmate is
really
>>simple to use, of course i'll use my wired megellan for a while if i
have
>>to, hopefully i could get the receiver later with a upgrade? anyone
know?
>>but wanted to know what goes out now with the softare. I'd just be
glad to
>>have software with maps! Mine doesn't which is a big reason why i
never
>>played much with it.
>>
>>
>
>
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From: "James Malone" <malone_j@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: what receivers are shipping?
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:02:37 -0800
How much is the Receiver?
-----Original Message-----
From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Gammon
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 9:26 PM
To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: what receivers are shipping?
If you bought from Sendero, then it's the Holux M-1000, a terrific
receiver
with twice the battery life as the Holux 236, at around 17 hours, much
better acquisition time, and it will give you slower movement speeds as
well, like around 1 mph or so whereas the Holux 236 does not do that.
At
least mine never would. So, it's the Holux M-1000, seems the best at
this
time.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tina B." <tinabir@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 7:56 PM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] what receivers are shipping?
>I called today to check on the price of my upgrade if it doesn't come
>with the m-power, bt forgot to check on the types of receivers
>available. What ones are offered now and are they pretty easy to use
>and are they all bluetooth? I thought a long ttime ago I'd heard the
>earthmate is really simple to use, of course i'll use my wired megellan
>for a while if i have to, hopefully i could get the receiver later with
a
upgrade? anyone know?
>but wanted to know what goes out now with the softare. I'd just be glad
>to have software with maps! Mine doesn't which is a big reason why i
>never played much with it.
>
>
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:26:44 -0500
From: "Eric Brinkman" <eric.brinkman1@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [gps-talkusers] BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
Hi,
I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS and
the
Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the two. Thanks
in
advance.
Eric
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:46:40 -0500
From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of things
although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've only
used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can comment
on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user
experiences, but none from me personally.
Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM:
> Hi,
>
> I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS and
> the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the two.
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Eric
--
Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
------------------------------
From: "Judy W" <judyw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:58:02 -0600
Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from sendero
could
tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster.
Judy
-----Original Message-----
From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM
To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of things
although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've only
used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can comment
on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user
experiences, but none from me personally.
Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM:
> Hi,
>
> I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS and
> the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the two.
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Eric
--
Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:15:21 -0500
From: Alex Parks <mehgcap@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
I am not from Sendero, but the bnmp has a 416mhz processor and
64mb ram while the vs has a 520mhz processor and 128mb ram. I
imagine this would make it run faster, but cannot say for sure.
Basically, though, the software is the same on both machines,
except the user interface which is customized for either the bn
or vs.
Have a great day,
Alex
> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Judy W" <judyw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Date sent: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:58:02 -0600
>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from
sendero could
>tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster.
>Judy
>-----Original Message-----
>From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A.
Gallegos
>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM
>To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of
things
>although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've
only
>used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can
comment
>on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user
>experiences, but none from me personally.
>Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM:
>> Hi,
>> I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote
GPS and
>> the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the
two.
>> Thanks in advance.
>> Eric
>--
>Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
>Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
>WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
>FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
------------------------------
From: "Kevin Chao" <g.unit89@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:14:15 -0800
If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test.
Let's say we just have the maps for California loaded and create a route
from Sendero Group to the LightHouse and see what the
difference in speed is.
Raul, I am not sure if there is some progress tone on the Sense Nav. On
the Sendero GPS, there is a swoosh that occurs every 3
seconds to indicate some progress.
Starting:
Sendero Group
11188 Maple Lane
Davis, CA
Ending:
LightHouse
214 Van ness Ave
San Francisco, CA
Could someone perform the route calculation on the BrailleNote and
someone on the VoiceSense? We then can compare notes.
It might be faster on the VoiceSense as Alex suggested as there is more
processing power and RAM on the VoiceSense.
There are many variables that aren't accounted for, but this is just a
general comparison.
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM
To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from sendero
could
tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster.
Judy
-----Original Message-----
From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM
To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of things
although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've only
used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can comment
on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user
experiences, but none from me personally.
Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM:
> Hi,
>
> I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS and
> the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the two.
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Eric
--
Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
------------------------------
From: "Scott Granados" <gsgranados@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Sindero Performance was Re: Re: BrailleNote
GPS vs Vo
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:20:32 -0800
You know I was literally going to ask this question this morning. Does
the
Sindero product run better on any specific platform? Not just faster
but in
a more stable way. I assume that differences in hardware and software
(regardless of how expert your QA is) may yield slightly different
results.
Does it perform better on anything specific? Is the fastest also the
most
stable?
Also, I didn't realize that you all were so close to the bay area,
I'll
buy the drinks if anyone's in the south bay.:)
Thanks
Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Chao" <g.unit89@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:14 AM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
> If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test.
>
> Let's say we just have the maps for California loaded and create a
route
> from Sendero Group to the LightHouse and see what the
> difference in speed is.
>
> Raul, I am not sure if there is some progress tone on the Sense Nav.
On
> the Sendero GPS, there is a swoosh that occurs every 3
> seconds to indicate some progress.
>
> Starting:
> Sendero Group
> 11188 Maple Lane
> Davis, CA
>
> Ending:
> LightHouse
> 214 Van ness Ave
> San Francisco, CA
>
> Could someone perform the route calculation on the BrailleNote and
someone
> on the VoiceSense? We then can compare notes.
>
> It might be faster on the VoiceSense as Alex suggested as there is
more
> processing power and RAM on the VoiceSense.
>
> There are many variables that aren't accounted for, but this is just a
> general comparison.
>
> Kevin
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM
> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>
>
> Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from sendero
> could
> tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster.
>
> Judy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A.
Gallegos
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM
> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>
>
> Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of things
> although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've only
> used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can
comment
> on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user
> experiences, but none from me personally.
>
> Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS and
>> the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the two.
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Eric
>
>
> --
> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
>
>
>
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:40:43 -0500
From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
Hi. On the Voice Sense I put in Sendero as the virtual position and the
Lighthouse as the destination. It showed that the destination was 64.37
miles southwest from Sendero.
The Voice Sense plays progress tones, but I don't think they are three
seconds apart. I created the route using two slightly methods. The first
was using the micro hard drive CF card with the whole West of the US
loaded. The second test was with only the California maps loaded in the
flashdisk of the Voice Sense. In both cases the result was the same.
Creating a vehicle route took 57 beeps. The route had 364 waypoints. To
be honest, this is longer than what I would have thought. At least when
I've created many routes in Denver, Chicago, and Fort Wayne, 60 or so
mile routes do not seem to take as long, but I don't know if POIs or map
areas have something to do with this.
So, there is the Voice Sense side of things.
Kevin Chao said the following on 12/13/2007 1:14 PM:
> If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test.
>
> Let's say we just have the maps for California loaded and create a
route from Sendero Group to the LightHouse and see what the
> difference in speed is.
>
> Raul, I am not sure if there is some progress tone on the Sense Nav.
On the Sendero GPS, there is a swoosh that occurs every 3
> seconds to indicate some progress.
>
> Starting:
> Sendero Group
> 11188 Maple Lane
> Davis, CA
>
> Ending:
> LightHouse
> 214 Van ness Ave
> San Francisco, CA
>
> Could someone perform the route calculation on the BrailleNote and
someone on the VoiceSense? We then can compare notes.
>
> It might be faster on the VoiceSense as Alex suggested as there is
more processing power and RAM on the VoiceSense.
>
> There are many variables that aren't accounted for, but this is just a
general comparison.
>
> Kevin
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM
> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>
>
> Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from sendero
could
> tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster.
>
> Judy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A.
Gallegos
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM
> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>
>
> Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of things
> although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've only
> used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can
comment
> on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user
> experiences, but none from me personally.
>
> Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS and
>> the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the two.
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Eric
>
>
> --
> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
>
>
>
>
--
Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
------------------------------
From: "Tina B." <tinabir@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [gps-talkusers] gps inside?
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:24:06 -0700
Hi. Does the braille note gps work indoors yet or is that being planned?
Also, if I get a jump drive for my m-power , can I save the maps for the
US
on to that drive or what kind of device are they on like a cf card or an
sd
card? I know you can get those little drives with several gigs have a
friend
who just got a 3 or 4 gig one so that is what made me wonder and if I
can,
what gig should I go with just to be sure there is enough space?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:40 PM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
> Hi. On the Voice Sense I put in Sendero as the virtual position and
the
> Lighthouse as the destination. It showed that the destination was
64.37
> miles southwest from Sendero.
>
> The Voice Sense plays progress tones, but I don't think they are three
> seconds apart. I created the route using two slightly methods. The
first
> was using the micro hard drive CF card with the whole West of the US
> loaded. The second test was with only the California maps loaded in
the
> flashdisk of the Voice Sense. In both cases the result was the same.
> Creating a vehicle route took 57 beeps. The route had 364 waypoints.
To be
> honest, this is longer than what I would have thought. At least when
I've
> created many routes in Denver, Chicago, and Fort Wayne, 60 or so mile
> routes do not seem to take as long, but I don't know if POIs or map
areas
> have something to do with this.
>
> So, there is the Voice Sense side of things.
>
> Kevin Chao said the following on 12/13/2007 1:14 PM:
>> If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test. Let's say we just
have
>> the maps for California loaded and create a route from Sendero Group
to
>> the LightHouse and see what the
>> difference in speed is. Raul, I am not sure if there is some progress
>> tone on the Sense Nav. On the Sendero GPS, there is a swoosh that
occurs
>> every 3
>> seconds to indicate some progress. Starting: Sendero Group
>> 11188 Maple Lane Davis, CA Ending: LightHouse
>> 214 Van ness Ave San Francisco, CA Could someone perform the route
>> calculation on the BrailleNote and someone on the VoiceSense? We then
can
>> compare notes. It might be faster on the VoiceSense as Alex suggested
as
>> there is more processing power and RAM on the VoiceSense. There are
many
>> variables that aren't accounted for, but this is just a general
>> comparison. Kevin -----Original Message-----
>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W
>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM
>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>
>>
>> Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from
sendero
>> could
>> tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster.
>>
>> Judy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A.
Gallegos
>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM
>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>
>>
>> Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of things
>> although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've only
>> used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can
comment
>> on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user
>> experiences, but none from me personally.
>>
>> Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS
and
>>> the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the two.
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>
>>
>> --
>> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
>> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
>> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
>> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
>
>
------------------------------
From: Chris Grabowski <chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: gps inside?
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:42:31 -0500
Hi Tina,
I'll answer your second question.
the maps will run from SD cf or usb jump drives.
However it is not recommended to run your maps from the jump drive
because in motion you could bump the usb drive therefore braking it
off.
Hope this helps.
Chris
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:24:06 -0700, "Tina B." <tinabir@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
>Hi. Does the braille note gps work indoors yet or is that being
planned?
>Also, if I get a jump drive for my m-power , can I save the maps for
the US
>on to that drive or what kind of device are they on like a cf card or
an sd
>card? I know you can get those little drives with several gigs have a
friend
>who just got a 3 or 4 gig one so that is what made me wonder and if I
can,
>what gig should I go with just to be sure there is enough space?
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:40 PM
>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>
>
>> Hi. On the Voice Sense I put in Sendero as the virtual position and
the
>> Lighthouse as the destination. It showed that the destination was
64.37
>> miles southwest from Sendero.
>>
>> The Voice Sense plays progress tones, but I don't think they are
three
>> seconds apart. I created the route using two slightly methods. The
first
>> was using the micro hard drive CF card with the whole West of the US
>> loaded. The second test was with only the California maps loaded in
the
>> flashdisk of the Voice Sense. In both cases the result was the same.
>> Creating a vehicle route took 57 beeps. The route had 364 waypoints.
To be
>> honest, this is longer than what I would have thought. At least when
I've
>> created many routes in Denver, Chicago, and Fort Wayne, 60 or so mile
>> routes do not seem to take as long, but I don't know if POIs or map
areas
>> have something to do with this.
>>
>> So, there is the Voice Sense side of things.
>>
>> Kevin Chao said the following on 12/13/2007 1:14 PM:
>>> If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test. Let's say we just
have
>>> the maps for California loaded and create a route from Sendero Group
to
>>> the LightHouse and see what the
>>> difference in speed is. Raul, I am not sure if there is some
progress
>>> tone on the Sense Nav. On the Sendero GPS, there is a swoosh that
occurs
>>> every 3
>>> seconds to indicate some progress. Starting: Sendero Group
>>> 11188 Maple Lane Davis, CA Ending: LightHouse
>>> 214 Van ness Ave San Francisco, CA Could someone perform the route
>>> calculation on the BrailleNote and someone on the VoiceSense? We
then can
>>> compare notes. It might be faster on the VoiceSense as Alex
suggested as
>>> there is more processing power and RAM on the VoiceSense. There are
many
>>> variables that aren't accounted for, but this is just a general
>>> comparison. Kevin -----Original Message-----
>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM
>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>>
>>>
>>> Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from
sendero
>>> could
>>> tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster.
>>>
>>> Judy
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A.
Gallegos
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM
>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of
things
>>> although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've only
>>> used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can
comment
>>> on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user
>>> experiences, but none from me personally.
>>>
>>> Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS
and
>>>> the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the two.
>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>
>>>> Eric
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
>>> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
>>> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
>>> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
>> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
>> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
>> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:48:46 -0500
From: Alex Parks <mehgcap@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: gps inside?
Gps relies on satellites, whose signals are blocked by buildings.
You may be able to pick up a signal indoors but there is no way
you will be able to navigate a building with it.
A jump drive would work but I recommend a cf or sd card which can
be left in the unit more easily and does not stick out. The maps
come on an 8gb card, but you can get anywhere from a 1gb to 16gb.
What size you get depends on how many maps you will need at a
time and which maps they are--the Maine maps are much smaller
than the California maps.
Have a great day,
Alex
> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tina B." <tinabir@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Date sent: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:24:06 -0700
>Subject: [gps-talkusers] gps inside?
>Hi. Does the braille note gps work indoors yet or is that being
planned?
>Also, if I get a jump drive for my m-power , can I save the maps
for the US
>on to that drive or what kind of device are they on like a cf
card or an sd
>card? I know you can get those little drives with several gigs
have a friend
>who just got a 3 or 4 gig one so that is what made me wonder and
if I can,
>what gig should I go with just to be sure there is enough space?
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@xxxxxxxxxxx
>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:40 PM
>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>> Hi. On the Voice Sense I put in Sendero as the virtual position
and the
>> Lighthouse as the destination. It showed that the destination
was 64.37
>> miles southwest from Sendero.
>> The Voice Sense plays progress tones, but I don't think they are
three
>> seconds apart. I created the route using two slightly methods.
The first
>> was using the micro hard drive CF card with the whole West of
the US
>> loaded. The second test was with only the California maps
loaded in the
>> flashdisk of the Voice Sense. In both cases the result was the
same.
>> Creating a vehicle route took 57 beeps. The route had 364
waypoints. To be
>> honest, this is longer than what I would have thought. At least
when I've
>> created many routes in Denver, Chicago, and Fort Wayne, 60 or so
mile
>> routes do not seem to take as long, but I don't know if POIs or
map areas
>> have something to do with this.
>> So, there is the Voice Sense side of things.
>> Kevin Chao said the following on 12/13/2007 1:14 PM:
>>> If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test. Let's say we
just have
>>> the maps for California loaded and create a route from Sendero
Group to
>>> the LightHouse and see what the
>>> difference in speed is. Raul, I am not sure if there is some
progress
>>> tone on the Sense Nav. On the Sendero GPS, there is a swoosh
that occurs
>>> every 3
>>> seconds to indicate some progress. Starting: Sendero Group
>>> 11188 Maple Lane Davis, CA Ending: LightHouse
>>> 214 Van ness Ave San Francisco, CA Could someone perform the
route
>>> calculation on the BrailleNote and someone on the VoiceSense? We
then can
>>> compare notes. It might be faster on the VoiceSense as Alex
suggested as
>>> there is more processing power and RAM on the VoiceSense. There
are many
>>> variables that aren't accounted for, but this is just a general
>>> comparison. Kevin -----Original Message-----
>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM
>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>> Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from
sendero
>>> could
>>> tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster.
>>> Judy
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A.
Gallegos
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM
>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>> Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of
things
>>> although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've
only
>>> used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can
comment
>>> on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user
>>> experiences, but none from me personally.
>>> Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote
GPS and
>>>> the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the
two.
>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>> Eric
>>> --
>>> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
>>> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
>>> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
>>> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
>> --
>> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
>> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
>> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
>> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
------------------------------
From: "Scott Granados" <gsgranados@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: gps inside?
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:46:55 -0800
Tina, just a quick primer on how GPS works to answer your first
question.
There is a constilation of space based platforms that the defense
department
put up for the purposes of navigation in military applications. This
system
uses very carefully controled time sources and a receiver which measures
the
deviation of signal received from one of several birds that your
receiver
locks on to at any given time. You need I believe it's 4 birds at a
minimum
to have a fix in 3 dimentions. (someone pipe in if I'm way off here)
So,
can you use the GPS inside? Not so well. Yes, mine comes on in my
house
but there's no floors above my position and the roof allows some signal
to
pass. This is not normally the case. In most buildings (like where I
work
for example) the roof and materials totally obstruct the signal. In
fact, I
work in a lab where we use GPS signals for very careful timing. We have
to
pass an antenna up through the roof and calebrate it carefully, with the
position exactly of each sattellite so that we can generate really
accurate
time signals. My point is that you have no signal to work with inside a
building typically so it's not possible to get a fix, something your
receiver needs to transmit position data to the Sindero package. If you
had
another means of calculating a fix either with a gyroscope or something
that
can calculate movement until the signal is reacquired you might have
something but as it stands now I don't think it's workable indoors for
the
most part. I'm sure someone from Sindero will detail this better but
this
is my understanding.
Thanks
Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tina B." <tinabir@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 4:24 PM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] gps inside?
> Hi. Does the braille note gps work indoors yet or is that being
planned?
> Also, if I get a jump drive for my m-power , can I save the maps for
the
> US on to that drive or what kind of device are they on like a cf card
or
> an sd card? I know you can get those little drives with several gigs
have
> a friend who just got a 3 or 4 gig one so that is what made me wonder
and
> if I can, what gig should I go with just to be sure there is enough
space?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:40 PM
> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>
>
>> Hi. On the Voice Sense I put in Sendero as the virtual position and
the
>> Lighthouse as the destination. It showed that the destination was
64.37
>> miles southwest from Sendero.
>>
>> The Voice Sense plays progress tones, but I don't think they are
three
>> seconds apart. I created the route using two slightly methods. The
first
>> was using the micro hard drive CF card with the whole West of the US
>> loaded. The second test was with only the California maps loaded in
the
>> flashdisk of the Voice Sense. In both cases the result was the same.
>> Creating a vehicle route took 57 beeps. The route had 364 waypoints.
To
>> be honest, this is longer than what I would have thought. At least
when
>> I've created many routes in Denver, Chicago, and Fort Wayne, 60 or so
>> mile routes do not seem to take as long, but I don't know if POIs or
map
>> areas have something to do with this.
>>
>> So, there is the Voice Sense side of things.
>>
>> Kevin Chao said the following on 12/13/2007 1:14 PM:
>>> If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test. Let's say we just
have
>>> the maps for California loaded and create a route from Sendero Group
to
>>> the LightHouse and see what the
>>> difference in speed is. Raul, I am not sure if there is some
progress
>>> tone on the Sense Nav. On the Sendero GPS, there is a swoosh that
occurs
>>> every 3
>>> seconds to indicate some progress. Starting: Sendero Group
>>> 11188 Maple Lane Davis, CA Ending: LightHouse
>>> 214 Van ness Ave San Francisco, CA Could someone perform the route
>>> calculation on the BrailleNote and someone on the VoiceSense? We
then
>>> can compare notes. It might be faster on the VoiceSense as Alex
>>> suggested as there is more processing power and RAM on the
VoiceSense.
>>> There are many variables that aren't accounted for, but this is just
a
>>> general comparison. Kevin -----Original Message-----
>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM
>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>>
>>>
>>> Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from
sendero
>>> could
>>> tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster.
>>>
>>> Judy
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A.
Gallegos
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM
>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of
things
>>> although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've only
>>> used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can
comment
>>> on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user
>>> experiences, but none from me personally.
>>>
>>> Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS
and
>>>> the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the two.
>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>
>>>> Eric
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
>>> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
>>> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
>>> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
>> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
>> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
>> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
>>
>>
>
>
>
------------------------------
Date:Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:58:07 -0500
From:jeremy gilbreth <jermy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [gps-talkusers] e: gps inside?
Hi, Tina. I have used my Gps to get around in the mall. Later.
> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tina B." <tinabir@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Date sent: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:24:06 -0700
>Subject: [gps-talkusers] gps inside?
>Hi. Does the braille note gps work indoors yet or is that being
planned?
>Also, if I get a jump drive for my m-power , can I save the maps
for the US
>on to that drive or what kind of device are they on like a cf
card or an sd
>card? I know you can get those little drives with several gigs
have a friend
>who just got a 3 or 4 gig one so that is what made me wonder and
if I can,
>what gig should I go with just to be sure there is enough space?
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@xxxxxxxxxxx
>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:40 PM
>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>> Hi. On the Voice Sense I put in Sendero as the virtual position
and the
>> Lighthouse as the destination. It showed that the destination
was 64.37
>> miles southwest from Sendero.
>> The Voice Sense plays progress tones, but I don't think they are
three
>> seconds apart. I created the route using two slightly methods.
The first
>> was using the micro hard drive CF card with the whole West of
the US
>> loaded. The second test was with only the California maps
loaded in the
>> flashdisk of the Voice Sense. In both cases the result was the
same.
>> Creating a vehicle route took 57 beeps. The route had 364
waypoints. To be
>> honest, this is longer than what I would have thought. At least
when I've
>> created many routes in Denver, Chicago, and Fort Wayne, 60 or so
mile
>> routes do not seem to take as long, but I don't know if POIs or
map areas
>> have something to do with this.
>> So, there is the Voice Sense side of things.
>> Kevin Chao said the following on 12/13/2007 1:14 PM:
>>> If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test. Let's say we
just have
>>> the maps for California loaded and create a route from Sendero
Group to
>>> the LightHouse and see what the
>>> difference in speed is. Raul, I am not sure if there is some
progress
>>> tone on the Sense Nav. On the Sendero GPS, there is a swoosh
that occurs
>>> every 3
>>> seconds to indicate some progress. Starting: Sendero Group
>>> 11188 Maple Lane Davis, CA Ending: LightHouse
>>> 214 Van ness Ave San Francisco, CA Could someone perform the
route
>>> calculation on the BrailleNote and someone on the VoiceSense? We
then can
>>> compare notes. It might be faster on the VoiceSense as Alex
suggested as
>>> there is more processing power and RAM on the VoiceSense. There
are many
>>> variables that aren't accounted for, but this is just a general
>>> comparison. Kevin -----Original Message-----
>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM
>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>> Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from
sendero
>>> could
>>> tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster.
>>> Judy
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A.
Gallegos
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM
>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>> Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of
things
>>> although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've
only
>>> used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can
comment
>>> on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user
>>> experiences, but none from me personally.
>>> Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote
GPS and
>>>> the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the
two.
>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>> Eric
>>> --
>>> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
>>> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
>>> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
>>> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
>> --
>> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
>> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
>> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
>> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
------------------------------
From: "Jim Gammon" <jgammon1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:16:26 -0800
Sounds great, but to be fair, you should use a stopwatch to time the
route
creation in both cases and see how long each unit takes. Counting beeps
is
probably not accurate as they may go faster on the Voice Sense due to
the
faster processor. Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:40 PM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
> Hi. On the Voice Sense I put in Sendero as the virtual position and
the
> Lighthouse as the destination. It showed that the destination was
64.37
> miles southwest from Sendero.
>
> The Voice Sense plays progress tones, but I don't think they are three
> seconds apart. I created the route using two slightly methods. The
first
> was using the micro hard drive CF card with the whole West of the US
> loaded. The second test was with only the California maps loaded in
the
> flashdisk of the Voice Sense. In both cases the result was the same.
> Creating a vehicle route took 57 beeps. The route had 364 waypoints.
To be
> honest, this is longer than what I would have thought. At least when
I've
> created many routes in Denver, Chicago, and Fort Wayne, 60 or so mile
> routes do not seem to take as long, but I don't know if POIs or map
areas
> have something to do with this.
>
> So, there is the Voice Sense side of things.
>
> Kevin Chao said the following on 12/13/2007 1:14 PM:
>> If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test. Let's say we just
have
>> the maps for California loaded and create a route from Sendero Group
to
>> the LightHouse and see what the
>> difference in speed is. Raul, I am not sure if there is some progress
>> tone on the Sense Nav. On the Sendero GPS, there is a swoosh that
occurs
>> every 3
>> seconds to indicate some progress. Starting: Sendero Group
>> 11188 Maple Lane Davis, CA Ending: LightHouse
>> 214 Van ness Ave San Francisco, CA Could someone perform the route
>> calculation on the BrailleNote and someone on the VoiceSense? We then
can
>> compare notes. It might be faster on the VoiceSense as Alex suggested
as
>> there is more processing power and RAM on the VoiceSense. There are
many
>> variables that aren't accounted for, but this is just a general
>> comparison. Kevin -----Original Message-----
>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W
>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM
>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>
>>
>> Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from
sendero
>> could
>> tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster.
>>
>> Judy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A.
Gallegos
>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM
>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>
>>
>> Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of things
>> although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've only
>> used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can
comment
>> on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user
>> experiences, but none from me personally.
>>
>> Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS
and
>>> the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the two.
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>
>>
>> --
>> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
>> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
>> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
>> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
>
------------------------------
From: "Scott Granados" <gsgranados@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:41:13 -0800
Actually, neither are a good solution. Depending on the OS's (Did
someone
say Windows CE?) you should run a benchmarking tool. Or, maybe that's to
complex, maybe if again it's a windows derivitive, you could employ a
port
of the unix time command which literally times the exact start and stop
of a
given process. I'm not sure how open these devices are though, my gut
tells
me not very but I've been pleasantly surprised lately. I'm rather
thinking
that the results may be similar enough that human measurement might not
provide enough resolution. At a minimum, precision is always a good
thing.
(tm)
:)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Gammon" <jgammon1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:16 PM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
> Sounds great, but to be fair, you should use a stopwatch to time the
route
> creation in both cases and see how long each unit takes. Counting
beeps
> is probably not accurate as they may go faster on the Voice Sense due
to
> the faster processor. Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:40 PM
> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>
>
>> Hi. On the Voice Sense I put in Sendero as the virtual position and
the
>> Lighthouse as the destination. It showed that the destination was
64.37
>> miles southwest from Sendero.
>>
>> The Voice Sense plays progress tones, but I don't think they are
three
>> seconds apart. I created the route using two slightly methods. The
first
>> was using the micro hard drive CF card with the whole West of the US
>> loaded. The second test was with only the California maps loaded in
the
>> flashdisk of the Voice Sense. In both cases the result was the same.
>> Creating a vehicle route took 57 beeps. The route had 364 waypoints.
To
>> be honest, this is longer than what I would have thought. At least
when
>> I've created many routes in Denver, Chicago, and Fort Wayne, 60 or so
>> mile routes do not seem to take as long, but I don't know if POIs or
map
>> areas have something to do with this.
>>
>> So, there is the Voice Sense side of things.
>>
>> Kevin Chao said the following on 12/13/2007 1:14 PM:
>>> If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test. Let's say we just
have
>>> the maps for California loaded and create a route from Sendero Group
to
>>> the LightHouse and see what the
>>> difference in speed is. Raul, I am not sure if there is some
progress
>>> tone on the Sense Nav. On the Sendero GPS, there is a swoosh that
occurs
>>> every 3
>>> seconds to indicate some progress. Starting: Sendero Group
>>> 11188 Maple Lane Davis, CA Ending: LightHouse
>>> 214 Van ness Ave San Francisco, CA Could someone perform the route
>>> calculation on the BrailleNote and someone on the VoiceSense? We
then
>>> can compare notes. It might be faster on the VoiceSense as Alex
>>> suggested as there is more processing power and RAM on the
VoiceSense.
>>> There are many variables that aren't accounted for, but this is just
a
>>> general comparison. Kevin -----Original Message-----
>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM
>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>>
>>>
>>> Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from
sendero
>>> could
>>> tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster.
>>>
>>> Judy
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A.
Gallegos
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM
>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of
things
>>> although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've only
>>> used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can
comment
>>> on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user
>>> experiences, but none from me personally.
>>>
>>> Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS
and
>>>> the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the two.
>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>
>>>> Eric
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
>>> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
>>> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
>>> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
>> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
>> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
>> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
>>
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:52:49 -0800
From: Charles LaPierre <charles@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
For this even if the difference is a second it won't matter that much
its not like we are clocking FLOPS or something. A 60+ mile route
will have enough of a difference that a stopwatch will be more that
enough to determine how fast both calculate the same route. I would
imagine that the Voice Sense having 100 MHz faster processor will
hands down beat the BrailleNote in route creation, my guess is there
will be probably a 5 to 10 second speed difference on the Voice Sense.
Charles.
At 06:41 PM 12/13/2007, you wrote:
>Actually, neither are a good solution. Depending on the OS's (Did
>someone say Windows CE?) you should run a benchmarking tool. Or,
>maybe that's to complex, maybe if again it's a windows derivitive,
>you could employ a port of the unix time command which literally
>times the exact start and stop of a given process. I'm not sure how
>open these devices are though, my gut tells me not very but I've
>been pleasantly surprised lately. I'm rather thinking that the
>results may be similar enough that human measurement might not
>provide enough resolution. At a minimum, precision is always a good
>thing. (tm)
>
>:)
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gammon"
<jgammon1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:16 PM
>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>
>
>>Sounds great, but to be fair, you should use a stopwatch to time
>>the route creation in both cases and see how long each unit
>>takes. Counting beeps is probably not accurate as they may go
>>faster on the Voice Sense due to the faster processor. Jim
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Raul A. Gallegos"
<raul@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:40 PM
>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>
>>
>>>Hi. On the Voice Sense I put in Sendero as the virtual position
>>>and the Lighthouse as the destination. It showed that the
>>>destination was 64.37 miles southwest from Sendero.
>>>
>>>The Voice Sense plays progress tones, but I don't think they are
>>>three seconds apart. I created the route using two slightly
>>>methods. The first was using the micro hard drive CF card with the
>>>whole West of the US loaded. The second test was with only the
>>>California maps loaded in the flashdisk of the Voice Sense. In
>>>both cases the result was the same. Creating a vehicle route took
>>>57 beeps. The route had 364 waypoints. To be honest, this is
>>>longer than what I would have thought. At least when I've created
>>>many routes in Denver, Chicago, and Fort Wayne, 60 or so mile
>>>routes do not seem to take as long, but I don't know if POIs or
>>>map areas have something to do with this.
>>>
>>>So, there is the Voice Sense side of things.
>>>
>>>Kevin Chao said the following on 12/13/2007 1:14 PM:
>>>>If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test. Let's say we
>>>>just have the maps for California loaded and create a route from
>>>>Sendero Group to the LightHouse and see what the
>>>>difference in speed is. Raul, I am not sure if there is some
>>>>progress tone on the Sense Nav. On the Sendero GPS, there is a
>>>>swoosh that occurs every 3
>>>>seconds to indicate some progress. Starting: Sendero Group
>>>>11188 Maple Lane Davis, CA Ending: LightHouse
>>>>214 Van ness Ave San Francisco, CA Could someone perform the
>>>>route calculation on the BrailleNote and someone on the
>>>>VoiceSense? We then can compare notes. It might be faster on the
>>>>VoiceSense as Alex suggested as there is more processing power
>>>>and RAM on the VoiceSense. There are many variables that aren't
>>>>accounted for, but this is just a general comparison. Kevin
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W
>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM
>>>>To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from
>>>>sendero could
>>>>tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster.
>>>>
>>>>Judy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A.
Gallegos
>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM
>>>>To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of
things
>>>>although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've only
>>>>used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can
comment
>>>>on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user
>>>>experiences, but none from me personally.
>>>>
>>>>Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM:
>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS
and
>>>>>the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the two.
>>>>>Thanks in advance.
>>>>>
>>>>>Eric
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
>>>>Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
>>>>WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
>>>>FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
>>>Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
>>>WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
>>>FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
>>
>
Charles M. La Pierre CTO
Sendero Group, LLC
Lat. 37 15' 25" N Lon: 121 53' 04" W
------------------------------
From: "Kevin Chao" <g.unit89@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:06:44 -0800
Jim and Charles, very good points regarding the timing of the route
creation. We don't need precision of a millionth of billionth of
a second here. I created the route on the PK and it came out at 1 minute
and 18 seconds. I hit the stop watch created the route then
hit the stop watch off on the PK.
We will see what the VoiceSense gets.
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Charles
LaPierre
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:53 PM
To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
For this even if the difference is a second it won't matter that much
its not like we are clocking FLOPS or something. A 60+ mile route
will have enough of a difference that a stopwatch will be more that
enough to determine how fast both calculate the same route. I would
imagine that the Voice Sense having 100 MHz faster processor will
hands down beat the BrailleNote in route creation, my guess is there
will be probably a 5 to 10 second speed difference on the Voice Sense.
Charles.
At 06:41 PM 12/13/2007, you wrote:
>Actually, neither are a good solution. Depending on the OS's (Did
>someone say Windows CE?) you should run a benchmarking tool. Or,
>maybe that's to complex, maybe if again it's a windows derivitive,
>you could employ a port of the unix time command which literally
>times the exact start and stop of a given process. I'm not sure how
>open these devices are though, my gut tells me not very but I've
>been pleasantly surprised lately. I'm rather thinking that the
>results may be similar enough that human measurement might not
>provide enough resolution. At a minimum, precision is always a good
>thing. (tm)
>
>:)
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gammon"
<jgammon1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:16 PM
>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>
>
>>Sounds great, but to be fair, you should use a stopwatch to time
>>the route creation in both cases and see how long each unit
>>takes. Counting beeps is probably not accurate as they may go
>>faster on the Voice Sense due to the faster processor. Jim
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Raul A. Gallegos"
<raul@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:40 PM
>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>
>>
>>>Hi. On the Voice Sense I put in Sendero as the virtual position
>>>and the Lighthouse as the destination. It showed that the
>>>destination was 64.37 miles southwest from Sendero.
>>>
>>>The Voice Sense plays progress tones, but I don't think they are
>>>three seconds apart. I created the route using two slightly
>>>methods. The first was using the micro hard drive CF card with the
>>>whole West of the US loaded. The second test was with only the
>>>California maps loaded in the flashdisk of the Voice Sense. In
>>>both cases the result was the same. Creating a vehicle route took
>>>57 beeps. The route had 364 waypoints. To be honest, this is
>>>longer than what I would have thought. At least when I've created
>>>many routes in Denver, Chicago, and Fort Wayne, 60 or so mile
>>>routes do not seem to take as long, but I don't know if POIs or
>>>map areas have something to do with this.
>>>
>>>So, there is the Voice Sense side of things.
>>>
>>>Kevin Chao said the following on 12/13/2007 1:14 PM:
>>>>If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test. Let's say we
>>>>just have the maps for California loaded and create a route from
>>>>Sendero Group to the LightHouse and see what the
>>>>difference in speed is. Raul, I am not sure if there is some
>>>>progress tone on the Sense Nav. On the Sendero GPS, there is a
>>>>swoosh that occurs every 3
>>>>seconds to indicate some progress. Starting: Sendero Group
>>>>11188 Maple Lane Davis, CA Ending: LightHouse
>>>>214 Van ness Ave San Francisco, CA Could someone perform the
>>>>route calculation on the BrailleNote and someone on the
>>>>VoiceSense? We then can compare notes. It might be faster on the
>>>>VoiceSense as Alex suggested as there is more processing power
>>>>and RAM on the VoiceSense. There are many variables that aren't
>>>>accounted for, but this is just a general comparison. Kevin
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W
>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM
>>>>To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from
>>>>sendero could
>>>>tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster.
>>>>
>>>>Judy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A.
Gallegos
>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM
>>>>To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of
things
>>>>although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've only
>>>>used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can
comment
>>>>on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user
>>>>experiences, but none from me personally.
>>>>
>>>>Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM:
>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS
and
>>>>>the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the two.
>>>>>Thanks in advance.
>>>>>
>>>>>Eric
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
>>>>Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
>>>>WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
>>>>FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
>>>Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
>>>WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
>>>FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
>>
>
Charles M. La Pierre CTO
Sendero Group, LLC
Lat. 37 15' 25" N Lon: 121 53' 04" W
------------------------------
From: Chris Grabowski <chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:15:47 -0500
Hi all,
I'll do the side by side tomorrow.
Chris
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:06:44 -0800, "Kevin Chao"
<g.unit89@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>Jim and Charles, very good points regarding the timing of the route
creation. We don't need precision of a millionth of billionth of
>a second here. I created the route on the PK and it came out at 1
minute and 18 seconds. I hit the stop watch created the route then
>hit the stop watch off on the PK.
>
>We will see what the VoiceSense gets.
>
>Kevin
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Charles
LaPierre
>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:53 PM
>To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>
n>For this even if the difference is a second it won't matter that
much
>its not like we are clocking FLOPS or something. A 60+ mile route
>will have enough of a difference that a stopwatch will be more that
>enough to determine how fast both calculate the same route. I would
>imagine that the Voice Sense having 100 MHz faster processor will
>hands down beat the BrailleNote in route creation, my guess is there
>will be probably a 5 to 10 second speed difference on the Voice Sense.
>
>Charles.
>
>
>At 06:41 PM 12/13/2007, you wrote:
>>Actually, neither are a good solution. Depending on the OS's (Did
>>someone say Windows CE?) you should run a benchmarking tool. Or,
>>maybe that's to complex, maybe if again it's a windows derivitive,
>>you could employ a port of the unix time command which literally
>>times the exact start and stop of a given process. I'm not sure how
>>open these devices are though, my gut tells me not very but I've
>>been pleasantly surprised lately. I'm rather thinking that the
>>results may be similar enough that human measurement might not
>>provide enough resolution. At a minimum, precision is always a good
>>thing. (tm)
>>
>>:)
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gammon"
<jgammon1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:16 PM
>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>
>>
>>>Sounds great, but to be fair, you should use a stopwatch to time
>>>the route creation in both cases and see how long each unit
>>>takes. Counting beeps is probably not accurate as they may go
>>>faster on the Voice Sense due to the faster processor. Jim
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Raul A. Gallegos"
<raul@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:40 PM
>>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi. On the Voice Sense I put in Sendero as the virtual position
>>>>and the Lighthouse as the destination. It showed that the
>>>>destination was 64.37 miles southwest from Sendero.
>>>>
>>>>The Voice Sense plays progress tones, but I don't think they are
>>>>three seconds apart. I created the route using two slightly
>>>>methods. The first was using the micro hard drive CF card with the
>>>>whole West of the US loaded. The second test was with only the
>>>>California maps loaded in the flashdisk of the Voice Sense. In
>>>>both cases the result was the same. Creating a vehicle route took
>>>>57 beeps. The route had 364 waypoints. To be honest, this is
>>>>longer than what I would have thought. At least when I've created
>>>>many routes in Denver, Chicago, and Fort Wayne, 60 or so mile
>>>>routes do not seem to take as long, but I don't know if POIs or
>>>>map areas have something to do with this.
>>>>
>>>>So, there is the Voice Sense side of things.
>>>>
>>>>Kevin Chao said the following on 12/13/2007 1:14 PM:
>>>>>If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test. Let's say we
>>>>>just have the maps for California loaded and create a route from
>>>>>Sendero Group to the LightHouse and see what the
>>>>>difference in speed is. Raul, I am not sure if there is some
>>>>>progress tone on the Sense Nav. On the Sendero GPS, there is a
>>>>>swoosh that occurs every 3
>>>>>seconds to indicate some progress. Starting: Sendero Group
>>>>>11188 Maple Lane Davis, CA Ending: LightHouse
>>>>>214 Van ness Ave San Francisco, CA Could someone perform the
>>>>>route calculation on the BrailleNote and someone on the
>>>>>VoiceSense? We then can compare notes. It might be faster on the
>>>>>VoiceSense as Alex suggested as there is more processing power
>>>>>and RAM on the VoiceSense. There are many variables that aren't
>>>>>accounted for, but this is just a general comparison. Kevin
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W
>>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM
>>>>>To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from
>>>>>sendero could
>>>>>tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster.
>>>>>
>>>>>Judy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A.
Gallegos
>>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM
>>>>>To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of
things
>>>>>although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've
only
>>>>>used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can
comment
>>>>>on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user
>>>>>experiences, but none from me personally.
>>>>>
>>>>>Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM:
>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS
and
>>>>>>the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the
two.
>>>>>>Thanks in advance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Eric
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
>>>>>Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
>>>>>WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
>>>>>FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
>>>>Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
>>>>WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
>>>>FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
>>>
>>
>
>Charles M. La Pierre CTO
>Sendero Group, LLC
>
>Lat. 37 15' 25" N Lon: 121 53' 04" W
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:21:06 -0500
From: Alex Parks <mehgcap@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
Besides neither device can run any software not writtenfor it by
its manufacturer.
Have a great day,
Alex
> ----- Original Message -----
>From: Charles LaPierre <charles@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Date sent: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:52:49 -0800
>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>For this even if the difference is a second it won't matter that
much
>its not like we are clocking FLOPS or something. A 60+ mile
route
>will have enough of a difference that a stopwatch will be more
that
>enough to determine how fast both calculate the same route. I
would
>imagine that the Voice Sense having 100 MHz faster processor will
>hands down beat the BrailleNote in route creation, my guess is
there
>will be probably a 5 to 10 second speed difference on the Voice
Sense.
>Charles.
>At 06:41 PM 12/13/2007, you wrote:
>>Actually, neither are a good solution. Depending on the OS's
(Did
>>someone say Windows CE?) you should run a benchmarking tool. Or,
>>maybe that's to complex, maybe if again it's a windows
derivitive,
>>you could employ a port of the unix time command which literally
>>times the exact start and stop of a given process. I'm not sure
how
>>open these devices are though, my gut tells me not very but I've
>>been pleasantly surprised lately. I'm rather thinking that the
>>results may be similar enough that human measurement might not
>>provide enough resolution. At a minimum, precision is always a
good
>>thing. (tm)
>>:)
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gammon"
<jgammon1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:16 PM
>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>>Sounds great, but to be fair, you should use a stopwatch to time
>>>the route creation in both cases and see how long each unit
>>>takes. Counting beeps is probably not accurate as they may go
>>>faster on the Voice Sense due to the faster processor. Jim
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Raul A. Gallegos"
<raul@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:40 PM
>>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>>>Hi. On the Voice Sense I put in Sendero as the virtual position
>>>>and the Lighthouse as the destination. It showed that the
>>>>destination was 64.37 miles southwest from Sendero.
>>>>The Voice Sense plays progress tones, but I don't think they are
>>>>three seconds apart. I created the route using two slightly
>>>>methods. The first was using the micro hard drive CF card with
the
>>>>whole West of the US loaded. The second test was with only the
>>>>California maps loaded in the flashdisk of the Voice Sense. In
>>>>both cases the result was the same. Creating a vehicle route
took
>>>>57 beeps. The route had 364 waypoints. To be honest, this is
>>>>longer than what I would have thought. At least when I've
created
>>>>many routes in Denver, Chicago, and Fort Wayne, 60 or so mile
>>>>routes do not seem to take as long, but I don't know if POIs or
>>>>map areas have something to do with this.
>>>>So, there is the Voice Sense side of things.
>>>>Kevin Chao said the following on 12/13/2007 1:14 PM:
>>>>>If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test. Let's say we
>>>>>just have the maps for California loaded and create a route from
>>>>>Sendero Group to the LightHouse and see what the
>>>>>difference in speed is. Raul, I am not sure if there is some
>>>>>progress tone on the Sense Nav. On the Sendero GPS, there is a
>>>>>swoosh that occurs every 3
>>>>>seconds to indicate some progress. Starting: Sendero Group
>>>>>11188 Maple Lane Davis, CA Ending: LightHouse
>>>>>214 Van ness Ave San Francisco, CA Could someone perform the
>>>>>route calculation on the BrailleNote and someone on the
>>>>>VoiceSense? We then can compare notes. It might be faster on the
>>>>>VoiceSense as Alex suggested as there is more processing power
>>>>>and RAM on the VoiceSense. There are many variables that aren't
>>>>>accounted for, but this is just a general comparison. Kevin
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W
>>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM
>>>>>To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>>>>Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from
>>>>>sendero could
>>>>>tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster.
>>>>>Judy
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A.
Gallegos
>>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM
>>>>>To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>>>>Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of
things
>>>>>although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've
only
>>>>>used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can
comment
>>>>>on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user
>>>>>experiences, but none from me personally.
>>>>>Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM:
>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS
and
>>>>>>the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the
two.
>>>>>>Thanks in advance.
>>>>>>Eric
>>>>>--
>>>>>Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
>>>>>Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
>>>>>WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
>>>>>FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
>>>>--
>>>>Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
>>>>Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
>>>>WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
>>>>FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
>Charles M. La Pierre CTO
>Sendero Group, LLC
>Lat. 37 15' 25" N Lon: 121 53' 04" W
------------------------------
From: "Scott Granados" <gsgranados@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:13:55 -0800
Actually, I've heard conflicting reports on that, but this is probably
off
topic to this list. We'll see the results in the side by side tomorrow.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Parks" <mehgcap@xxxxxxx>
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 7:21 PM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
> Besides neither device can run any software not writtenfor it by its
> manufacturer.
>
> Have a great day,
> Alex
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>From: Charles LaPierre <charles@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Date sent: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:52:49 -0800
>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>
>>For this even if the difference is a second it won't matter that
> much
>>its not like we are clocking FLOPS or something. A 60+ mile
> route
>>will have enough of a difference that a stopwatch will be more
> that
>>enough to determine how fast both calculate the same route. I
> would
>>imagine that the Voice Sense having 100 MHz faster processor will
>>hands down beat the BrailleNote in route creation, my guess is
> there
>>will be probably a 5 to 10 second speed difference on the Voice
> Sense.
>
>>Charles.
>
>
>>At 06:41 PM 12/13/2007, you wrote:
>>>Actually, neither are a good solution. Depending on the OS's
> (Did
>>>someone say Windows CE?) you should run a benchmarking tool. Or,
>>>maybe that's to complex, maybe if again it's a windows
> derivitive,
>>>you could employ a port of the unix time command which literally
>>>times the exact start and stop of a given process. I'm not sure
> how
>>>open these devices are though, my gut tells me not very but I've
>>>been pleasantly surprised lately. I'm rather thinking that the
>>>results may be similar enough that human measurement might not
>>>provide enough resolution. At a minimum, precision is always a
> good
>>>thing. (tm)
>
>>>:)
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gammon"
> <jgammon1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:16 PM
>>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>
>
>>>>Sounds great, but to be fair, you should use a stopwatch to time
>>>>the route creation in both cases and see how long each unit
>>>>takes. Counting beeps is probably not accurate as they may go
>>>>faster on the Voice Sense due to the faster processor. Jim
>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Raul A. Gallegos"
> <raul@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:40 PM
>>>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>
>
>>>>>Hi. On the Voice Sense I put in Sendero as the virtual position
>>>>>and the Lighthouse as the destination. It showed that the
>>>>>destination was 64.37 miles southwest from Sendero.
>
>>>>>The Voice Sense plays progress tones, but I don't think they are
>>>>>three seconds apart. I created the route using two slightly
>>>>>methods. The first was using the micro hard drive CF card with
> the
>>>>>whole West of the US loaded. The second test was with only the
>>>>>California maps loaded in the flashdisk of the Voice Sense. In
>>>>>both cases the result was the same. Creating a vehicle route
> took
>>>>>57 beeps. The route had 364 waypoints. To be honest, this is
>>>>>longer than what I would have thought. At least when I've
> created
>>>>>many routes in Denver, Chicago, and Fort Wayne, 60 or so mile
>>>>>routes do not seem to take as long, but I don't know if POIs or
>>>>>map areas have something to do with this.
>
>>>>>So, there is the Voice Sense side of things.
>
>>>>>Kevin Chao said the following on 12/13/2007 1:14 PM:
>>>>>>If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test. Let's say we
>>>>>>just have the maps for California loaded and create a route from
>>>>>>Sendero Group to the LightHouse and see what the
>>>>>>difference in speed is. Raul, I am not sure if there is some
>>>>>>progress tone on the Sense Nav. On the Sendero GPS, there is a
>>>>>>swoosh that occurs every 3
>>>>>>seconds to indicate some progress. Starting: Sendero Group
>>>>>>11188 Maple Lane Davis, CA Ending: LightHouse
>>>>>>214 Van ness Ave San Francisco, CA Could someone perform the
>>>>>>route calculation on the BrailleNote and someone on the
>>>>>>VoiceSense? We then can compare notes. It might be faster on the
>>>>>>VoiceSense as Alex suggested as there is more processing power
>>>>>>and RAM on the VoiceSense. There are many variables that aren't
>>>>>>accounted for, but this is just a general comparison. Kevin
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W
>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM
>>>>>>To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>
>
>>>>>>Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from
>>>>>>sendero could
>>>>>>tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster.
>
>>>>>>Judy
>
>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A.
> Gallegos
>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM
>>>>>>To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>
>
>>>>>>Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of
> things
>>>>>>although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've
> only
>>>>>>used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can
> comment
>>>>>>on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user
>>>>>>experiences, but none from me personally.
>
>>>>>>Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM:
>>>>>>>Hi,
>
>>>>>>>I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS
> and
>>>>>>>the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the
> two.
>>>>>>>Thanks in advance.
>
>>>>>>>Eric
>
>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
>>>>>>Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
>>>>>>WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
>>>>>>FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
>
>
>
>
>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
>>>>>Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
>>>>>WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
>>>>>FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
>
>
>
>>Charles M. La Pierre CTO
>>Sendero Group, LLC
>
>>Lat. 37 15' 25" N Lon: 121 53' 04" W
>
>
>
>
------------------------------
From: "Tina B." <tinabir@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: gps inside?
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:35:21 -0700
Thanks Alex that makes sense. for anyone who has been able to get a
signal
indoors, how did it do could use really use it as affectively as you can
outside.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Parks" <mehgcap@xxxxxxx>
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 5:48 PM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: gps inside?
> Gps relies on satellites, whose signals are blocked by buildings. You
may
> be able to pick up a signal indoors but there is no way you will be
able
> to navigate a building with it.
> A jump drive would work but I recommend a cf or sd card which can be
left
> in the unit more easily and does not stick out. The maps come on an
8gb
> card, but you can get anywhere from a 1gb to 16gb. What size you get
> depends on how many maps you will need at a time and which maps they
> are--the Maine maps are much smaller than the California maps.
>
> Have a great day,
> Alex
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Tina B." <tinabir@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Date sent: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:24:06 -0700
>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] gps inside?
>
>>Hi. Does the braille note gps work indoors yet or is that being
> planned?
>>Also, if I get a jump drive for my m-power , can I save the maps
> for the US
>>on to that drive or what kind of device are they on like a cf
> card or an sd
>>card? I know you can get those little drives with several gigs
> have a friend
>>who just got a 3 or 4 gig one so that is what made me wonder and
> if I can,
>>what gig should I go with just to be sure there is enough space?
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:40 PM
>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>
>
>>> Hi. On the Voice Sense I put in Sendero as the virtual position
> and the
>>> Lighthouse as the destination. It showed that the destination
> was 64.37
>>> miles southwest from Sendero.
>
>>> The Voice Sense plays progress tones, but I don't think they are
> three
>>> seconds apart. I created the route using two slightly methods.
> The first
>>> was using the micro hard drive CF card with the whole West of
> the US
>>> loaded. The second test was with only the California maps
> loaded in the
>>> flashdisk of the Voice Sense. In both cases the result was the
> same.
>>> Creating a vehicle route took 57 beeps. The route had 364
> waypoints. To be
>>> honest, this is longer than what I would have thought. At least
> when I've
>>> created many routes in Denver, Chicago, and Fort Wayne, 60 or so
> mile
>>> routes do not seem to take as long, but I don't know if POIs or
> map areas
>>> have something to do with this.
>
>>> So, there is the Voice Sense side of things.
>
>>> Kevin Chao said the following on 12/13/2007 1:14 PM:
>>>> If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test. Let's say we
> just have
>>>> the maps for California loaded and create a route from Sendero
> Group to
>>>> the LightHouse and see what the
>>>> difference in speed is. Raul, I am not sure if there is some
> progress
>>>> tone on the Sense Nav. On the Sendero GPS, there is a swoosh
> that occurs
>>>> every 3
>>>> seconds to indicate some progress. Starting: Sendero Group
>>>> 11188 Maple Lane Davis, CA Ending: LightHouse
>>>> 214 Van ness Ave San Francisco, CA Could someone perform the
> route
>>>> calculation on the BrailleNote and someone on the VoiceSense? We
> then can
>>>> compare notes. It might be faster on the VoiceSense as Alex
> suggested as
>>>> there is more processing power and RAM on the VoiceSense. There
> are many
>>>> variables that aren't accounted for, but this is just a general
>>>> comparison. Kevin -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM
>>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>
>
>>>> Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from
> sendero
>>>> could
>>>> tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster.
>
>>>> Judy
>
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A.
> Gallegos
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM
>>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>
>
>>>> Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of
> things
>>>> although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've
> only
>>>> used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can
> comment
>>>> on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user
>>>> experiences, but none from me personally.
>
>>>> Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM:
>>>>> Hi,
>
>>>>> I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote
> GPS and
>>>>> the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the
> two.
>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>
>>>>> Eric
>
>
>>>> --
>>>> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
>>>> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
>>>> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
>>>> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>> --
>>> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
>>> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
>>> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
>>> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
------------------------------
From: "Tina B." <tinabir@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: gps inside?
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:38:12 -0700
I see. how is it then that your cell phone will work indoors for the
most
part when they get everything thru satellites although seems to me I
remember reading that they are really just radios so maybe that is it.
Interesting.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Granados" <gsgranados@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 5:46 PM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: gps inside?
> Tina, just a quick primer on how GPS works to answer your first
question.
> There is a constilation of space based platforms that the defense
> department put up for the purposes of navigation in military
applications.
> This system uses very carefully controled time sources and a receiver
> which measures the deviation of signal received from one of several
birds
> that your receiver locks on to at any given time. You need I believe
it's
> 4 birds at a minimum to have a fix in 3 dimentions. (someone pipe in
if
> I'm way off here) So, can you use the GPS inside? Not so well. Yes,
> mine comes on in my house but there's no floors above my position and
the
> roof allows some signal to pass. This is not normally the case. In
most
> buildings (like where I work for example) the roof and materials
totally
> obstruct the signal. In fact, I work in a lab where we use GPS
signals
> for very careful timing. We have to pass an antenna up through the
roof
> and calebrate it carefully, with the position exactly of each
sattellite
> so that we can generate really accurate time signals. My point is
that
> you have no signal to work with inside a building typically so it's
not
> possible to get a fix, something your receiver needs to transmit
position
> data to the Sindero package. If you had another means of calculating
a
> fix either with a gyroscope or something that can calculate movement
until
> the signal is reacquired you might have something but as it stands now
I
> don't think it's workable indoors for the most part. I'm sure someone
> from Sindero will detail this better but this is my understanding.
>
> Thanks
> Scott
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tina B." <tinabir@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 4:24 PM
> Subject: [gps-talkusers] gps inside?
>
>
>> Hi. Does the braille note gps work indoors yet or is that being
planned?
>> Also, if I get a jump drive for my m-power , can I save the maps for
the
>> US on to that drive or what kind of device are they on like a cf card
or
>> an sd card? I know you can get those little drives with several gigs
have
>> a friend who just got a 3 or 4 gig one so that is what made me wonder
and
>> if I can, what gig should I go with just to be sure there is enough
>> space?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:40 PM
>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>
>>
>>> Hi. On the Voice Sense I put in Sendero as the virtual position and
the
>>> Lighthouse as the destination. It showed that the destination was
64.37
>>> miles southwest from Sendero.
>>>
>>> The Voice Sense plays progress tones, but I don't think they are
three
>>> seconds apart. I created the route using two slightly methods. The
first
>>> was using the micro hard drive CF card with the whole West of the US
>>> loaded. The second test was with only the California maps loaded in
the
>>> flashdisk of the Voice Sense. In both cases the result was the same.
>>> Creating a vehicle route took 57 beeps. The route had 364 waypoints.
To
>>> be honest, this is longer than what I would have thought. At least
when
>>> I've created many routes in Denver, Chicago, and Fort Wayne, 60 or
so
>>> mile routes do not seem to take as long, but I don't know if POIs or
map
>>> areas have something to do with this.
>>>
>>> So, there is the Voice Sense side of things.
>>>
>>> Kevin Chao said the following on 12/13/2007 1:14 PM:
>>>> If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test. Let's say we just
>>>> have the maps for California loaded and create a route from Sendero
>>>> Group to the LightHouse and see what the
>>>> difference in speed is. Raul, I am not sure if there is some
progress
>>>> tone on the Sense Nav. On the Sendero GPS, there is a swoosh that
>>>> occurs every 3
>>>> seconds to indicate some progress. Starting: Sendero Group
>>>> 11188 Maple Lane Davis, CA Ending: LightHouse
>>>> 214 Van ness Ave San Francisco, CA Could someone perform the route
>>>> calculation on the BrailleNote and someone on the VoiceSense? We
then
>>>> can compare notes. It might be faster on the VoiceSense as Alex
>>>> suggested as there is more processing power and RAM on the
VoiceSense.
>>>> There are many variables that aren't accounted for, but this is
just a
>>>> general comparison. Kevin -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM
>>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from
sendero
>>>> could
>>>> tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster.
>>>>
>>>> Judy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A.
>>>> Gallegos
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM
>>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of
things
>>>> although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've
only
>>>> used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can
comment
>>>> on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user
>>>> experiences, but none from me personally.
>>>>
>>>> Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS
and
>>>>> the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the
two.
>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Eric
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
>>>> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
>>>> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
>>>> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
>>> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
>>> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
>>> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
------------------------------
From: "Scott Granados" <gsgranados@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: gps inside?
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:29:13 -0800
In our lab we detect a lot of reflections and error resulting from these
reflections (flat surfaces etc). Depends on the materials involved.
where
I am for example there are raised floors and lots of metal. Wooden or
natural coverings will have drastically different effects but that's
probably outside the scope of this thread. The more clear your view to
the
sky the better. Michael has spoken clearly in the past on multipath for
example and the effects there. Just remember this is all radio at it's
core. Anything you learned about radio signals in your sixth grade
science
class (back when you got a great education from the public schools,
pointing
at certain members of this list) applies here. So when you block a
signal
you render it less effective in any form. Both the Holux and
US-Globalsat
sites have good information about the basics of GPS which apply to all
tools
including Sindero. The Government also maintains both highly technical
and
consumer oriented information. It's an amazing technology!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tina B." <tinabir@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 7:35 PM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: gps inside?
> Thanks Alex that makes sense. for anyone who has been able to get a
> signal indoors, how did it do could use really use it as affectively
as
> you can outside.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Parks" <mehgcap@xxxxxxx>
> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 5:48 PM
> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: gps inside?
>
>
>> Gps relies on satellites, whose signals are blocked by buildings.
You
>> may be able to pick up a signal indoors but there is no way you will
be
>> able to navigate a building with it.
>> A jump drive would work but I recommend a cf or sd card which can be
left
>> in the unit more easily and does not stick out. The maps come on an
8gb
>> card, but you can get anywhere from a 1gb to 16gb. What size you get
>> depends on how many maps you will need at a time and which maps they
>> are--the Maine maps are much smaller than the California maps.
>>
>> Have a great day,
>> Alex
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Tina B." <tinabir@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Date sent: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:24:06 -0700
>>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] gps inside?
>>
>>>Hi. Does the braille note gps work indoors yet or is that being
>> planned?
>>>Also, if I get a jump drive for my m-power , can I save the maps
>> for the US
>>>on to that drive or what kind of device are they on like a cf
>> card or an sd
>>>card? I know you can get those little drives with several gigs
>> have a friend
>>>who just got a 3 or 4 gig one so that is what made me wonder and
>> if I can,
>>>what gig should I go with just to be sure there is enough space?
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:40 PM
>>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>
>>
>>>> Hi. On the Voice Sense I put in Sendero as the virtual position
>> and the
>>>> Lighthouse as the destination. It showed that the destination
>> was 64.37
>>>> miles southwest from Sendero.
>>
>>>> The Voice Sense plays progress tones, but I don't think they are
>> three
>>>> seconds apart. I created the route using two slightly methods.
>> The first
>>>> was using the micro hard drive CF card with the whole West of
>> the US
>>>> loaded. The second test was with only the California maps
>> loaded in the
>>>> flashdisk of the Voice Sense. In both cases the result was the
>> same.
>>>> Creating a vehicle route took 57 beeps. The route had 364
>> waypoints. To be
>>>> honest, this is longer than what I would have thought. At least
>> when I've
>>>> created many routes in Denver, Chicago, and Fort Wayne, 60 or so
>> mile
>>>> routes do not seem to take as long, but I don't know if POIs or
>> map areas
>>>> have something to do with this.
>>
>>>> So, there is the Voice Sense side of things.
>>
>>>> Kevin Chao said the following on 12/13/2007 1:14 PM:
>>>>> If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test. Let's say we
>> just have
>>>>> the maps for California loaded and create a route from Sendero
>> Group to
>>>>> the LightHouse and see what the
>>>>> difference in speed is. Raul, I am not sure if there is some
>> progress
>>>>> tone on the Sense Nav. On the Sendero GPS, there is a swoosh
>> that occurs
>>>>> every 3
>>>>> seconds to indicate some progress. Starting: Sendero Group
>>>>> 11188 Maple Lane Davis, CA Ending: LightHouse
>>>>> 214 Van ness Ave San Francisco, CA Could someone perform the
>> route
>>>>> calculation on the BrailleNote and someone on the VoiceSense? We
>> then can
>>>>> compare notes. It might be faster on the VoiceSense as Alex
>> suggested as
>>>>> there is more processing power and RAM on the VoiceSense. There
>> are many
>>>>> variables that aren't accounted for, but this is just a general
>>>>> comparison. Kevin -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM
>>>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>
>>
>>>>> Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from
>> sendero
>>>>> could
>>>>> tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster.
>>
>>>>> Judy
>>
>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A.
>> Gallegos
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM
>>>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>
>>
>>>>> Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of
>> things
>>>>> although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've
>> only
>>>>> used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can
>> comment
>>>>> on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user
>>>>> experiences, but none from me personally.
>>
>>>>> Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>
>>>>>> I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote
>> GPS and
>>>>>> the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the
>> two.
>>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>>>>>> Eric
>>
>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
>>>>> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
>>>>> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
>>>>> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>> --
>>>> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
>>>> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
>>>> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
>>>> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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From: "Scott Granados" <gsgranados@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: gps inside?
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:31:43 -0800
Tina, GPS uses spaced based platforms that operate on the 1.5 GHZ
frequency
ranges. These are similar in frequency to cell (a little longer length)
but
oriented from the sky. Cell phones use ground based towers that are
tied
directly back to phone switches. You don't use much sattellite service
in
the cell network. There are space based phone systems but they are very
expensive and used most recognizably by journalists in war zones etc.
Totally different technologies.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tina B." <tinabir@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 7:38 PM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: gps inside?
>I see. how is it then that your cell phone will work indoors for the
most
>part when they get everything thru satellites although seems to me I
>remember reading that they are really just radios so maybe that is it.
>Interesting.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Granados" <gsgranados@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 5:46 PM
> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: gps inside?
>
>
>> Tina, just a quick primer on how GPS works to answer your first
question.
>> There is a constilation of space based platforms that the defense
>> department put up for the purposes of navigation in military
>> applications. This system uses very carefully controled time sources
and
>> a receiver which measures the deviation of signal received from one
of
>> several birds that your receiver locks on to at any given time. You
need
>> I believe it's 4 birds at a minimum to have a fix in 3 dimentions.
>> (someone pipe in if I'm way off here) So, can you use the GPS
inside?
>> Not so well. Yes, mine comes on in my house but there's no floors
above
>> my position and the roof allows some signal to pass. This is not
>> normally the case. In most buildings (like where I work for example)
the
>> roof and materials totally obstruct the signal. In fact, I work in a
lab
>> where we use GPS signals for very careful timing. We have to pass an
>> antenna up through the roof and calebrate it carefully, with the
position
>> exactly of each sattellite so that we can generate really accurate
time
>> signals. My point is that you have no signal to work with inside a
>> building typically so it's not possible to get a fix, something your
>> receiver needs to transmit position data to the Sindero package. If
you
>> had another means of calculating a fix either with a gyroscope or
>> something that can calculate movement until the signal is reacquired
you
>> might have something but as it stands now I don't think it's workable
>> indoors for the most part. I'm sure someone from Sindero will detail
>> this better but this is my understanding.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Scott
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tina B." <tinabir@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 4:24 PM
>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] gps inside?
>>
>>
>>> Hi. Does the braille note gps work indoors yet or is that being
planned?
>>> Also, if I get a jump drive for my m-power , can I save the maps for
the
>>> US on to that drive or what kind of device are they on like a cf
card or
>>> an sd card? I know you can get those little drives with several gigs
>>> have a friend who just got a 3 or 4 gig one so that is what made me
>>> wonder and if I can, what gig should I go with just to be sure there
is
>>> enough space?
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:40 PM
>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi. On the Voice Sense I put in Sendero as the virtual position and
the
>>>> Lighthouse as the destination. It showed that the destination was
64.37
>>>> miles southwest from Sendero.
>>>>
>>>> The Voice Sense plays progress tones, but I don't think they are
three
>>>> seconds apart. I created the route using two slightly methods. The
>>>> first was using the micro hard drive CF card with the whole West of
the
>>>> US loaded. The second test was with only the California maps loaded
in
>>>> the flashdisk of the Voice Sense. In both cases the result was the
>>>> same. Creating a vehicle route took 57 beeps. The route had 364
>>>> waypoints. To be honest, this is longer than what I would have
thought.
>>>> At least when I've created many routes in Denver, Chicago, and Fort
>>>> Wayne, 60 or so mile routes do not seem to take as long, but I
don't
>>>> know if POIs or map areas have something to do with this.
>>>>
>>>> So, there is the Voice Sense side of things.
>>>>
>>>> Kevin Chao said the following on 12/13/2007 1:14 PM:
>>>>> If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test. Let's say we
just
>>>>> have the maps for California loaded and create a route from
Sendero
>>>>> Group to the LightHouse and see what the
>>>>> difference in speed is. Raul, I am not sure if there is some
progress
>>>>> tone on the Sense Nav. On the Sendero GPS, there is a swoosh that
>>>>> occurs every 3
>>>>> seconds to indicate some progress. Starting: Sendero Group
>>>>> 11188 Maple Lane Davis, CA Ending: LightHouse
>>>>> 214 Van ness Ave San Francisco, CA Could someone perform the route
>>>>> calculation on the BrailleNote and someone on the VoiceSense? We
then
>>>>> can compare notes. It might be faster on the VoiceSense as Alex
>>>>> suggested as there is more processing power and RAM on the
VoiceSense.
>>>>> There are many variables that aren't accounted for, but this is
just a
>>>>> general comparison. Kevin -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM
>>>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from
sendero
>>>>> could
>>>>> tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster.
>>>>>
>>>>> Judy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A.
>>>>> Gallegos
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM
>>>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of
things
>>>>> although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've
only
>>>>> used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can
>>>>> comment
>>>>> on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user
>>>>> experiences, but none from me personally.
>>>>>
>>>>> Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS
and
>>>>>> the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the
two.
>>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eric
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
>>>>> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
>>>>> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
>>>>> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
>>>> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
>>>> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
>>>> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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From: "Kevin Chao" <g.unit89@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: gps inside?
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:44:09 -0800
I personally have managed to get a signal in many indoor malls and
marked various user POIs of the mall entrance for shops and the
food court and a host of other points. The major difference with this is
that instead of being within 30 feet of your destination
and your heading being semi-correct, the heading is flying all over the
planet and the destination is more within a 100 feet range.
This proximity and heading information will differ from receiver to
receiver and from building to building. This is where outdoor
malls are nice as it is possible to mark the stores and to be brought
within 30 feet of the store upon return.
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tina B.
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 7:35 PM
To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: gps inside?
Thanks Alex that makes sense. for anyone who has been able to get a
signal
indoors, how did it do could use really use it as affectively as you can
outside.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Parks" <mehgcap@xxxxxxx>
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 5:48 PM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: gps inside?
> Gps relies on satellites, whose signals are blocked by buildings. You
may
> be able to pick up a signal indoors but there is no way you will be
able
> to navigate a building with it.
> A jump drive would work but I recommend a cf or sd card which can be
left
> in the unit more easily and does not stick out. The maps come on an
8gb
> card, but you can get anywhere from a 1gb to 16gb. What size you get
> depends on how many maps you will need at a time and which maps they
> are--the Maine maps are much smaller than the California maps.
>
> Have a great day,
> Alex
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Tina B." <tinabir@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Date sent: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:24:06 -0700
>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] gps inside?
>
>>Hi. Does the braille note gps work indoors yet or is that being
> planned?
>>Also, if I get a jump drive for my m-power , can I save the maps
> for the US
>>on to that drive or what kind of device are they on like a cf
> card or an sd
>>card? I know you can get those little drives with several gigs
> have a friend
>>who just got a 3 or 4 gig one so that is what made me wonder and
> if I can,
>>what gig should I go with just to be sure there is enough space?
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:40 PM
>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>
>
>>> Hi. On the Voice Sense I put in Sendero as the virtual position
> and the
>>> Lighthouse as the destination. It showed that the destination
> was 64.37
>>> miles southwest from Sendero.
>
>>> The Voice Sense plays progress tones, but I don't think they are
> three
>>> seconds apart. I created the route using two slightly methods.
> The first
>>> was using the micro hard drive CF card with the whole West of
> the US
>>> loaded. The second test was with only the California maps
> loaded in the
>>> flashdisk of the Voice Sense. In both cases the result was the
> same.
>>> Creating a vehicle route took 57 beeps. The route had 364
> waypoints. To be
>>> honest, this is longer than what I would have thought. At least
> when I've
>>> created many routes in Denver, Chicago, and Fort Wayne, 60 or so
> mile
>>> routes do not seem to take as long, but I don't know if POIs or
> map areas
>>> have something to do with this.
>
>>> So, there is the Voice Sense side of things.
>
>>> Kevin Chao said the following on 12/13/2007 1:14 PM:
>>>> If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test. Let's say we
> just have
>>>> the maps for California loaded and create a route from Sendero
> Group to
>>>> the LightHouse and see what the
>>>> difference in speed is. Raul, I am not sure if there is some
> progress
>>>> tone on the Sense Nav. On the Sendero GPS, there is a swoosh
> that occurs
>>>> every 3
>>>> seconds to indicate some progress. Starting: Sendero Group
>>>> 11188 Maple Lane Davis, CA Ending: LightHouse
>>>> 214 Van ness Ave San Francisco, CA Could someone perform the
> route
>>>> calculation on the BrailleNote and someone on the VoiceSense? We
> then can
>>>> compare notes. It might be faster on the VoiceSense as Alex
> suggested as
>>>> there is more processing power and RAM on the VoiceSense. There
> are many
>>>> variables that aren't accounted for, but this is just a general
>>>> comparison. Kevin -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM
>>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>
>
>>>> Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from
> sendero
>>>> could
>>>> tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster.
>
>>>> Judy
>
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A.
> Gallegos
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM
>>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>
>
>>>> Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of
> things
>>>> although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've
> only
>>>> used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can
> comment
>>>> on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user
>>>> experiences, but none from me personally.
>
>>>> Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM:
>>>>> Hi,
>
>>>>> I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote
> GPS and
>>>>> the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the
> two.
>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>
>>>>> Eric
>
>
>>>> --
>>>> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
>>>> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
>>>> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
>>>> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>> --
>>> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
>>> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
>>> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
>>> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: "Jim Gammon" <jgammon1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:52:31 -0800
Now there you go! What we need here is a little rationality! Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Grabowski" <chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 7:15 PM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
> Hi all,
> I'll do the side by side tomorrow.
> Chris
> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:06:44 -0800, "Kevin Chao"
> <g.unit89@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>Jim and Charles, very good points regarding the timing of the route
>>creation. We don't need precision of a millionth of billionth of
>>a second here. I created the route on the PK and it came out at 1
minute
>>and 18 seconds. I hit the stop watch created the route then
>>hit the stop watch off on the PK.
>>
>>We will see what the VoiceSense gets.
>>
>>Kevin
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Charles
LaPierre
>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:53 PM
>>To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>
> n>For this even if the difference is a second it won't matter that
> much
>>its not like we are clocking FLOPS or something. A 60+ mile route
>>will have enough of a difference that a stopwatch will be more that
>>enough to determine how fast both calculate the same route. I would
>>imagine that the Voice Sense having 100 MHz faster processor will
>>hands down beat the BrailleNote in route creation, my guess is there
>>will be probably a 5 to 10 second speed difference on the Voice Sense.
>>
>>Charles.
>>
>>
>>At 06:41 PM 12/13/2007, you wrote:
>>>Actually, neither are a good solution. Depending on the OS's (Did
>>>someone say Windows CE?) you should run a benchmarking tool. Or,
>>>maybe that's to complex, maybe if again it's a windows derivitive,
>>>you could employ a port of the unix time command which literally
>>>times the exact start and stop of a given process. I'm not sure how
>>>open these devices are though, my gut tells me not very but I've
>>>been pleasantly surprised lately. I'm rather thinking that the
>>>results may be similar enough that human measurement might not
>>>provide enough resolution. At a minimum, precision is always a good
>>>thing. (tm)
>>>
>>>:)
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gammon"
<jgammon1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:16 PM
>>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>>
>>>
>>>>Sounds great, but to be fair, you should use a stopwatch to time
>>>>the route creation in both cases and see how long each unit
>>>>takes. Counting beeps is probably not accurate as they may go
>>>>faster on the Voice Sense due to the faster processor. Jim
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Raul A. Gallegos"
<raul@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:40 PM
>>>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi. On the Voice Sense I put in Sendero as the virtual position
>>>>>and the Lighthouse as the destination. It showed that the
>>>>>destination was 64.37 miles southwest from Sendero.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Voice Sense plays progress tones, but I don't think they are
>>>>>three seconds apart. I created the route using two slightly
>>>>>methods. The first was using the micro hard drive CF card with the
>>>>>whole West of the US loaded. The second test was with only the
>>>>>California maps loaded in the flashdisk of the Voice Sense. In
>>>>>both cases the result was the same. Creating a vehicle route took
>>>>>57 beeps. The route had 364 waypoints. To be honest, this is
>>>>>longer than what I would have thought. At least when I've created
>>>>>many routes in Denver, Chicago, and Fort Wayne, 60 or so mile
>>>>>routes do not seem to take as long, but I don't know if POIs or
>>>>>map areas have something to do with this.
>>>>>
>>>>>So, there is the Voice Sense side of things.
>>>>>
>>>>>Kevin Chao said the following on 12/13/2007 1:14 PM:
>>>>>>If we wwant to figure this out we can run a test. Let's say we
>>>>>>just have the maps for California loaded and create a route from
>>>>>>Sendero Group to the LightHouse and see what the
>>>>>>difference in speed is. Raul, I am not sure if there is some
>>>>>>progress tone on the Sense Nav. On the Sendero GPS, there is a
>>>>>>swoosh that occurs every 3
>>>>>>seconds to indicate some progress. Starting: Sendero Group
>>>>>>11188 Maple Lane Davis, CA Ending: LightHouse
>>>>>>214 Van ness Ave San Francisco, CA Could someone perform the
>>>>>>route calculation on the BrailleNote and someone on the
>>>>>>VoiceSense? We then can compare notes. It might be faster on the
>>>>>>VoiceSense as Alex suggested as there is more processing power
>>>>>>and RAM on the VoiceSense. There are many variables that aren't
>>>>>>accounted for, but this is just a general comparison. Kevin
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W
>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:58 AM
>>>>>>To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Isn't the chip in the Braille Sense faster? Maybe someone from
>>>>>>sendero could
>>>>>>tell us if route calculation is noticeably faster.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Judy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Raul A.
>>>>>>Gallegos
>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:47 AM
>>>>>>To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: BrailleNote GPS vs Voice Sense GPS
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hello Eric. I'd be happy to comment on the Voice Sense side of
things
>>>>>>although I'm not sure how much my comments will mean since I've
only
>>>>>>used the Voice Sense and not the Braille note. The things i can
>>>>>>comment
>>>>>>on are mainly things which I've seen from reading other user
>>>>>>experiences, but none from me personally.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Eric Brinkman said the following on 12/13/2007 11:26 AM:
>>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I am curious whether anyone who has used both the BrailleNote GPS
and
>>>>>>>the Voice Sense GPS can comment on any differences between the
two.
>>>>>>>Thanks in advance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Eric
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
>>>>>>Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
>>>>>>WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
>>>>>>FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
>>>>>Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
>>>>>WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
>>>>>FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>Charles M. La Pierre CTO
>>Sendero Group, LLC
>>
>>Lat. 37 15' 25" N Lon: 121 53' 04" W
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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