[geocentrism] Re: relative motions.
- From: "philip madsen" <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "geocentrism list" <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:33:28 +1000
First I want to clarify which experiment you refer to.
Hanging the bicycle wheel on a string, the wheel will be horizontal , the axel
hung vertically. Its only to measure friction resistance versus inertia , so
latitude comes not into it.
For the earth rotation experiment the wheel will be on an axel that is N-S
oriented, with the plane of the wheel vertical to the latitude line. Thus the
axel will not be parallel to the earth axis, but this should not matter. Try
it with your turntable by offsetting it from the horizontal whilst you turn. I
think its better to keep the bearings in the normal alignment for equalisation
of gravity on bearings pressure.. Gravity is our problem. As you say the
equator or the poles are ideal locations for experiments, if you like the
cold.. or heat.
Philip.
PS I'm getting lots of mail 60 today from the Prius technical group.. Toyota
released its latest at the Detroit show yesterday, and I'm getting reports
direct from two of our observers who were invited. Im saving them for later..
too much technical info in one hit. I will not upgrade tioll its a plug in..
There is absolutely no doubt the oil companies are in control, and they are
terified of an all electric car that can do 70mph with a 100 mile range on one
charge. They are forbidding even the 20 mile range, which 80% of motorists use
90% of the time. If every one had a current (home made) plug in prius with its
20 mile range, it has been estimated that oil demand would drop 70% instantly.
(these are conservative estimates.) The oil cartel is worse than the mafia..
They own the battery technology patents.
plm
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From: Paul Deema
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 1:29 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: relative motions.
Philip M
I look forward to the results of your real experiment. Yes -- I quite grasp
your emphasis on low friction and significant mass. It was a definite factor of
concern for me too because I have also to report that a real experiment at my
location was conducted tonight. Watch this space!
I have to ask though -- you have to hang the wheel such that it is in the
same plane as the plane of your latitude. This is easy at the poles but at the
equator, its plane of orientation will have to be vertical. At your latitude,
it must be about 27 deg from vertical and when ever I try to visualise this, I
run into problems. Have you solved them or perhaps my visualisation of your
experiment is faulty?
Paul D
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From: philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: geocentrism list <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, 14 January, 2009 7:45:38 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: relative motions.
Its an interesting experiment worth the effort. Not many would think about
this effect. Technically the only force that could make the platter move from
its original orientation (oops naughty word?) is torque from your rotation
through the bearing friction. Hence you will appreciate why I stated using
frictionless bearings with high inertial mass. . I am going to hang a bicycle
wheel from the ceiling by a string tied to the shaft. and see how stable the
wheel is against a twisting string. Then I will try the real experiment
pointing at the sun, as I showed in my diagramatic post, using needle point
bearings.
Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Deema
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 3:18 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: relative motions.
Philip M
Sorry -- I often overlook the obvious. Well, it was obvious to me -- when I
was looking at it. It is just the platter and the support bearing on a spider
mounting frame. Just the two pieces. I held the frame and the platter was free
(no belt). It goes without saying that I did my best to hold it level.
Paul D
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From: philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, 14 January, 2009 2:07:12 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: relative motions.
Thanks paul, I will need to analyse that, as it does not seem to equate
with my experience.. I have to ask, has the turntable belt been removed to
prevent it turning the motor? Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Deema
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 9:06 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: relative motions.
Philip M
You will remember my mentioning that I have a heavy 12" turntable the
platter of which tips the scales at 2770 g. I've just had a play with it and
found that if I turn CW, the platter appears to me to be rotating CCW. Now if I
made a 90 deg turn and stopped, I found that the platter was no longer pointing
where it was when I started the turn but rather some radial distance CW.
Friction. However the really interesting bit is that when I stop, the platter
keeps turning CW for a short time. This is due to the radial acceleration
imparted by my turning through the agency of the aforesaid friction. Presently
the platter does come to a stop.
If I rotate 360 deg and stop, the platter turns further than in the 90
deg example. It was accelerated for a longer time -- what else would one
expect? Of course because the friction is still acting, this time to
de-accelerate, it doesn't return all the energy so one cannot draw any
quantitative inference from this.
Don't worry about Allen's disparaging of table tops. He has already
conceded that the laws of physics are universal thus if it is so in space it is
so on the top of a table. Anyway, when I used the above described platter to
illustrate a similar argument, he replied that if I leave it on the ground it
still doesn't rotate, as though this somehow explained the willingness of the
platter to resist my turning. I wonder where he gets these patently absurd
notions?
Paul D
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From: philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: geocentrism list <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, 13 January, 2009 12:07:01 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] relative motions.
Allen has already indicated that he will not accept any demo that is done
on the kitchen table, as applicable to space so therefore this is not for he.
But I will claim whilst recognising that constants will vary, it does apply
universally. Basic mechanical laws are universal. To avoid any anticipated
reactions to that, I will add “CONFINED TO THE SOLAR SYSTEM” It’s a basic
principle I want to demonstrate, and apply it to this world in space.
Consider we are looking down on the world from the N polar axis.
This is the wheel at midday. The yellow square mark is ponted in the
direction of the sun. Note that there is no external force applied to this
wheel which is free to rotate. It has considerable inertia due to its mass.
In this second diagram the world has turned 90degrees
In this picture, the world has turned 90 degrees or 6 hours later. I can
gaurantee that the yellow dot on the wheel will still be pointing in the
direction of the sun as shown. It has remained motionless in space whilst it
was translated to its new position. If you were on the platform supporting the
wheel you would see it appear to rotate 90 degrees. This is an illusion because
it is actually you and the platform that has moved.
Before anybody picks it up, I will say I have not tried it with a wheel
so fixed yet. I doubt we would see anything because a frictionless bearing is
difficult, and in 6 hours even this friction may be enough to turn the wheel..
Maybe not. But I have done it on a model on the kitchen table at a faster
spped.. the principle is proven
Why. When I said illusion, it works both ways.. It does not prove the
world turns, but according to my theory, and the Bible, it proves there is a
relative movement between the universe and the world, which cnotrols the
inertia. i.e. either way, there IS angular motion.
Philip.
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